Sure, there are one or two Supermans that would beat Vegetto, but only because they achieved a God-like status. Vegetto could defeat all of the other Supes.
There are many Supes, there's only one Vegetto.
| ghost_of_fazz said: Sure, there are one or two Supermans that would beat Vegetto, but only because they achieved a God-like status. Vegetto could defeat all of the other Supes. There are many Supes, there's only one Vegetto. |
I think i pretty definitivly showed via the OP's calculations why that's completely not true. Post Crisis Superman still handily beats Vegito. DBZ characters limitations just aren't really clearly shown because they all have the exact same limitations. (EX training in the DBZ universe gives Ki resistance.)
In terms of power caclulations, even Vegitto really only ranks Low/Mid Herald, along the level of someone like Firelord. (The Herald of Galactus.)
| Joza said: Those are all feats from pre crisis Superman. That's not the version that the OP is referring to based on the stats he got from screwattacks video. |
Well yeah. That was all related to my first point which was, things should only be limited to Post Crisis Superman because Pre Crisis Superman isn't even worth talking about because he was ridiculiously strong. Which you tried to argue against.
The entire rest of the arguement however shows how Deathabttle's durability feats are overexagerrated and why Superman totally beats Vegitto. Dragonball Z Characters topping out at about the Low/Mid Herald Level.
Jumpin said:
If you were accelerating at any rate towards a destination, the dilation of space time would cause you to reach the destination object before light speed could be reached. For example, if you were traveling from earth to an object 10 light years away, and accelerated so that you could hit it in 10 minutes, relative to you, light still travels at your speed + C, but the universe for you has shrunk in size relative to you due to time dilation. When you speed back to earth in 10 minutes; 20 minutes will have passed for you, but ~19 years, 364 days, 23 hours, and 40 minutes, would have passed for everyone else. Relative to them, you were traveling close to the speed of C for nearly 20 years. Relative to you, the journey was much shorter. |
FYI it has been recently proven that it is possible to travel beyond the speed of light.
It was accindentaly discovered in Europe when they accindentaly had something travel beyond the speed of light and it was fully recorded which confirmed it to every scientist in the world.
"The entire rest of the arguement however shows how Deathabttle's durability feats are overexagerrated and why Superman totally beats Vegitto."
Deathbattles feats stats were a load of crap and not accuarate at all. I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post.
They had base Goku as lifting only 40 tons which is just a huge inconsistency as when he was a little child he pushed a huge boulder weighing probably 100 tons+.
They got SSJ4's power by multiplying it off of the SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga even though in GT Goku without any Super Saiyan form at all was stronger than his SSJ3 DBZ self. So they should have multiplied it again from that point.
They calculated Goku's speed off a feat he did in the Saiyan saga and obviously his speed was levels beyond that by the end of DBZ.
They calculated Goku's toughness based on the bomb in Android 16 which is meant to kill Goku, even though this was a Goku that Dr Gero didn't even know could turn SSJ, so wouldn't do squat to the Goku in the main timeline.
They have the SSJ2 form as being only twice as strong as SSJ1 which makes no sense. Gohan was being beaten up by Cell, Cell later goes full power, later dies and comes back far more powerful than before, Gohan defeats him while injured. That's alot more than double.
SSJ4 being only 10x stronger doesnt make sense either. As a SSJ3 Goku was weaker than Baby, Baby turned into an Oozaru and was 10x stronger, Goku turns SSJ4 and was stronger still so obviously gre over 10x more powerful.
| Jozu said: "The entire rest of the arguement however shows how Deathabttle's durability feats are overexagerrated and why Superman totally beats Vegitto." Deathbattles feats stats were a load of crap and not accuarate at all. I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post. They had base Goku as lifting only 40 tons which is just a huge inconsistency as when he was a little child he pushed a huge boulder weighing probably 100 tons+. They got SSJ4's power by multiplying it off of the SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga even though in GT Goku without any Super Saiyan form at all was stronger than his SSJ3 DBZ self. So they should have multiplied it again from that point. They calculated Goku's speed off a feat he did in the Saiyan saga and obviously his speed was levels beyond that by the end of DBZ. They calculated Goku's toughness based on the bomb in Android 16 which is meant to kill Goku, even though this was a Goku that Dr Gero didn't even know could turn SSJ, so wouldn't do squat to the Goku in the main timeline. They have the SSJ2 form as being only twice as strong as SSJ1 which makes no sense. Gohan was being beaten up by Cell, Cell later goes full power, later dies and comes back far more powerful than before, Gohan defeats him while injured. That's alot more than double. SSJ4 being only 10x stronger doesnt make sense either. As a SSJ3 Goku was weaker than Baby, Baby turned into an Oozaru and was 10x stronger, Goku turns SSJ4 and was stronger still so obviously gre over 10x more powerful. |
Just to add; Cell said he can destroy this whole Solar System or Galaxy (I think he said Solar System).
(Android Saga)
"Just to add; Cell said he can destroy this whole Solar System or Galaxy (I think he said Solar System).
(Android Saga)"
Yeah I made a comment on that here.
"Everyone always harps on about DBZ characters can destory planets yet forget that Cell claimed he could blow up the entire solar system. He was merely SSJ2 level. SSJ3 is capable of much more, Vegito is capable of a hell of alot more and Bills can wipe out a galaxy."
It was after he came back from killing Goku he said he had enough chi to blow away the entire solar system.
P.S Why will this quoting option not work for me but does for everyone else?
Also all this talk about Vegito doesn't really matter anymore, Super Saiyan God Goku is stronger than any character from DBZ, Bills is stronger still and Whis is stronger still.
SSJ1 Vegito isn't so impressive anymore.
Jumpin said:
If you were accelerating at any rate towards a destination, the dilation of space time would cause you to reach the destination object before light speed could be reached. For example, if you were traveling from earth to an object 10 light years away, and accelerated so that you could hit it in 10 minutes, relative to you, light still travels at your speed + C, but the universe for you has shrunk in size relative to you due to time dilation. When you speed back to earth in 10 minutes; 20 minutes will have passed for you, but ~19 years, 364 days, 23 hours, and 40 minutes, would have passed for everyone else. Relative to them, you were traveling close to the speed of C for nearly 20 years. Relative to you, the journey was much shorter. |
In the real world sure. However in the DC Universe things are a bit different. There is an additional force in the universe called the speed force. Beings who tap into it can in fact travel faster then the speed of light. This is because the Speed force essentially reverses the basic forces of speed as we understand them.
When a character like Superman or Flash speeds up, instead of time speeding up looking like you watching the universe in fast foward, the opposite happens. Time around you slows down. (Oddly enough it doesn't age you faster like you'd expect either, but hey, different universal force.)
It's something that wasn't really worth mentioning because of how one sideded the fight was anway, but that was something else the Deathbattle guys got wrong.
He breaks the speed of light on panel so often it's really "standard".
Kasz216 said:
When a character like Superman or Flash speeds up, instead of time speeding up looking like you watching the universe in fast foward, the opposite happens. Time around you slows down. |
In real life, scientist in Europe have accindentaly discover that it is possible to travel faster then the speed of light. I think this was discovered using the supercollider.
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