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Arcturus on 07 May 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
I find it funny that some people deny that EA does not want Nintendo to succeed. This isn't conspiracy, EA openly admits it.


I would be interested in reading up on this. Please share those links.



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eFKac on 07 May 2013
Arcturus said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
I find it funny that some people deny that EA does not want Nintendo to succeed. This isn't conspiracy, EA openly admits it.


I would be interested in reading up on this. Please share those links.


I second this! Please share your knowlegde with us.



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

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Nem on 07 May 2013
Arcturus said:

...or, it's just not worth their time and resources to develop games for a userbase of 3 million.


I wonder if you will say the same early next year when that is what the new consoles will have. Why would it be worth it to develop for those systems when the 360 and PS3 have much vaster userbases?



Caniray on 07 May 2013
aikohualda said:
Arcturus said:
aikohualda said:
Arcturus said:
aikohualda said:
Arcturus said:
echoesfromthepast said:

DICE's Johan Andersson confirmed that the company had tested Frostbite 2 on the Wii U, and wasn't impressed with the results — which means that Frostbite 3 hasn't even been ported to Wii U. The EAmpire Strikes Back.

This, as most of you probably know, is pure BS. If it doesn't work right away, make it work. Don't just whine about it. Making it work is your job. Since Frostbite 3 will be hitting PS3 and X360, hardware can't be the limiting factor on Wii U. The real problems here are ideological stubbornness, bigotry and ugly malevolence. EA has come pretty low when most of use sure believed they couldn't sink any lower.

But is there A New Hope? What if Disney forces EA to put their games on all platforms in order to maintain a relationship with all companies. If Disney forces EA to  also make their Star Wars games on Wii U, then EA will have to fit Frostbite 3 on the Wii U. This means that if Wii U sales increase and the console already has Frostbite 3 because of Disney, then we might see other EA games on the console.

Is this a possibility? What do you guys think?

...or, it's just not worth their time and resources to develop games for a userbase of 3 million.

As for your topic, why would Disney force EA to develop games for the Wii U? What do you mean by "to maintain a relationship with all companies"?

a userbase of 3 million and potential market

its like saying why invest on ps4 and the next box since their current userbase is zero...

You're right, 3 million is a potential market. But EA doesn't have unlimited resources (and in fact, they just cut 10% of their workforce), so it would make more sense for them to focus their efforts on the market of 140 million users (PS3+360).

3 million AND potential market...

im sorr but you think wii u will sell 3 million in its lifetime? or you just missed how "AND" and "IS A" are two different things????

I never said it was going to sell 3 million lifetime. It's 3 million right now, and showing slow growth. We will probably see a user base of 5 million by the end of the year. That's still a small market compared to the 140M users in the 360+PS3 market.

well its not just userbase sometimes.... it is also opening new market.

if userbase is the only basis they should also port it to iphone and android. which probably exceeds 140M users.

it is true that they will most likely focus on the ps360, but there is still a chance that they will be doing it for the wii u esp if the numbers starts expanding (most likely japanese market)

Android and ios aren't like ps3/xbox, I can't see porting console games to smartphones can make the game sale a lot more, even if there are probably 1 billion users WW



EricFabian on 07 May 2013
Akvod said:
And EA's goal is to make money.

The problem here is that people are thinking that EA's decision was some kind of emotional decision, rather than giving them the doubt that EA made a business decision.

how can they make money on consoles with 0 units sells? beacause they will put all their games in PS4/Nextbox



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eFKac on 07 May 2013
Nem said:
Arcturus said:
 

...or, it's just not worth their time and resources to develop games for a userbase of 3 million.


I wonder if you will say the same early next year when that is what the new consoles will have. Why would it be worth it to develop for those systems when the 360 and PS3 have much vaster userbases?

You try to label him a Nintendo hater, but I'm sure that many many people like Arcturus or me will say the same thing when next gen consoles will have a 3 million userbase after half a year after launch and such lousy sales on weekly basis like the Wii U has for quite some time.

Then it will get interesting as we'll run out off viable platforms but I don't think that this scenario will happen.



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

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Akvod on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:
Akvod said:
Mr Khan said:
Euphoria14 said:

EA's engines were already tailored for the PS360 and moving the games and engine(s) to PS4/720 is a non-issue since they are basic x86 setups. So (1) version of the engine supports PS360 while the other version supports PS4/720/PC.

WiiU on the other hand is custom hardware, so they do not see the worth for investing time and money into developing a new version of their engines for just (1) console.


That is the reality of the situation. It is not their jobs to make sure it runs on WiiU. It is their job to make money and judging by WiiU sales, the money won't be made there.

 

People hate to hear this, but it's the truth. Want those games? Buy a different console.

We've run over this one before. It's not about wanting the games, it's about wanting EA to man up and stop being a bunch of babies.


And EA's goal is to make money.

The problem here is that people are thinking that EA's decision was some kind of emotional decision, rather than giving them the doubt that EA made a business decision.

Because EA has a history of not trying to sabotage and destroy consoles just to satisfy their overblown egos?


Don't know what you're talking about. Whatever examples you bring up, management has changed over history and we're talking about EA's decision now.

 

How many hours did you spend analyzing whether it would be a good business decision to port over games to the WiiU? What's the breakup of the WiiU's owners? What do you project their lifetime sales to be? How much will porting the games cost? What are the margins going to be?

You have absolutely no fucking idea whether or not EA made a good business decision or not, let alone if they even made a business decision. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.



Akvod on 07 May 2013
EricFabian said:
Akvod said:
And EA's goal is to make money.

The problem here is that people are thinking that EA's decision was some kind of emotional decision, rather than giving them the doubt that EA made a business decision.

how can they make money on consoles with 0 units sells? beacause they will put all their games in PS4/Nextbox


What are your sales projections for the WiiU for the next 3 years on a quarterly basis? What's the demographic breakdown of those owners?



Caniray on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:
Euphoria14 said:
Mr Khan said:
Euphoria14 said:

EA's engines were already tailored for the PS360 and moving the games and engine(s) to PS4/720 is a non-issue since they are basic x86 setups. So (1) version of the engine supports PS360 while the other version supports PS4/720/PC.

WiiU on the other hand is custom hardware, so they do not see the worth for investing time and money into developing a new version of their engines for just (1) console.


That is the reality of the situation. It is not their jobs to make sure it runs on WiiU. It is their job to make money and judging by WiiU sales, the money won't be made there.

 

People hate to hear this, but it's the truth. Want those games? Buy a different console.

We've run over this one before. It's not about wanting the games, it's about wanting EA to man up and stop being a bunch of babies.

Sorry, but this "man up" argument is ridiculous. I'm not even going down that route again.

 

You act like they are obligated to make games for your console of choice. If they don't see the opportunity to make big returns, then they are not obligated to work and work in order to create that market on Nintendo consoles. Why do that when they can continue as is without the need to create new versions of their current engines?

I hope there is more than just "manning up" or obligations and "principle".

 

What is even more astonishing is that from your tone it seems like you won't even buy their games, yet you think they should make them for you?

again, missing the point. It's not about me, or the games i will or won't buy. It's about honesty, integrity, and fair play, things EA clearly has no interest in. They're lying, and completely getting away with it, and that infuriates me.

I must say, in a way, businese is all about profit, there's hardly any space for things like integrity.

And frankly I can't really see why it's not a fair play, it's a free market and EA clearly has the right to decide which platforms they wanna make games for.



EricFabian on 07 May 2013
Akvod said:
EricFabian said:
Akvod said:
And EA's goal is to make money.

The problem here is that people are thinking that EA's decision was some kind of emotional decision, rather than giving them the doubt that EA made a business decision.

how can they make money on consoles with 0 units sells? beacause they will put all their games in PS4/Nextbox


What are your sales projections for the WiiU for the next 3 years on a quarterly basis? What's the demographic breakdown of those owners?

18 mil, 25 mil, 50 mil, we don't know. But PS4/NextBox don't have any guarantee that they will be successful as their older brothers right? Wii U is a proof.



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