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Arcturus on 07 May 2013
thranx said:
Arcturus said:
echoesfromthepast said:

DICE's Johan Andersson confirmed that the company had tested Frostbite 2 on the Wii U, and wasn't impressed with the results — which means that Frostbite 3 hasn't even been ported to Wii U. The EAmpire Strikes Back.

This, as most of you probably know, is pure BS. If it doesn't work right away, make it work. Don't just whine about it. Making it work is your job. Since Frostbite 3 will be hitting PS3 and X360, hardware can't be the limiting factor on Wii U. The real problems here are ideological stubbornness, bigotry and ugly malevolence. EA has come pretty low when most of use sure believed they couldn't sink any lower.

But is there A New Hope? What if Disney forces EA to put their games on all platforms in order to maintain a relationship with all companies. If Disney forces EA to  also make their Star Wars games on Wii U, then EA will have to fit Frostbite 3 on the Wii U. This means that if Wii U sales increase and the console already has Frostbite 3 because of Disney, then we might see other EA games on the console.

Is this a possibility? What do you guys think?

...or, it's just not worth their time and resources to develop games for a userbase of 3 million.

As for your topic, why would Disney force EA to develop games for the Wii U? What do you mean by "to maintain a relationship with all companies"?

Disney being  a smart company wouldn't want to burn a relationship with nintendo over EA. Since Disney is a big and powerful company they can dictate that EA makes their games for nintendo systems or Disney will have other devs and pubs do the work. Depending on their contract this may or may not be the case. I think Disney and Nintendo can go hand in hand together.

Why would not developing some games for the Wii U burn their relationship with Nintendo? Is Nintendo not going to allow them to release other games in the future if they do not release games now for the Wii U?

The contract that Disney has with EA is probably not as black and white as "you must release every Star Wars franchise games you develop to every video game platiform on the market". There are probably tons of clauses that allow EA to skip development for a particular platiform if certain conditions exist.



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Train wreck on 07 May 2013

the Wii U will be receiving Star Wars games in the form Disney funded tablet and phone apps. Dont see the issue here (outside the small number of Nintendo fans making a stink, which is expected), EA's pedigree with the Star Wars franchise has been mostly a hit with a most recent ambitious miss. Really don't excepted anything less.



Euphoria14 on 07 May 2013
melbye said:
Funny how the userbase-argument only applies to Nintendo-consoles. There is going to be a deluge of 3rd party-games PS4 and XBOX Whatever.So many games already confirmed, The Evil Within, Witcher 2, Battefield 4, Cyberpunk 2077, Thief.


Those games are created with PC engines, which run on x86. You are aware that the PS4 and most likely the 720 as well are based on x86? It isn't like they need to create an all new engine.



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Akvod on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:
Euphoria14 said:

EA's engines were already tailored for the PS360 and moving the games and engine(s) to PS4/720 is a non-issue since they are basic x86 setups. So (1) version of the engine supports PS360 while the other version supports PS4/720/PC.

WiiU on the other hand is custom hardware, so they do not see the worth for investing time and money into developing a new version of their engines for just (1) console.


That is the reality of the situation. It is not their jobs to make sure it runs on WiiU. It is their job to make money and judging by WiiU sales, the money won't be made there.

 

People hate to hear this, but it's the truth. Want those games? Buy a different console.

We've run over this one before. It's not about wanting the games, it's about wanting EA to man up and stop being a bunch of babies.


And EA's goal is to make money.

The problem here is that people are thinking that EA's decision was some kind of emotional decision, rather than giving them the doubt that EA made a business decision.



thranx on 07 May 2013
Arcturus said:
thranx said:
Arcturus said:
echoesfromthepast said:

DICE's Johan Andersson confirmed that the company had tested Frostbite 2 on the Wii U, and wasn't impressed with the results — which means that Frostbite 3 hasn't even been ported to Wii U. The EAmpire Strikes Back.

This, as most of you probably know, is pure BS. If it doesn't work right away, make it work. Don't just whine about it. Making it work is your job. Since Frostbite 3 will be hitting PS3 and X360, hardware can't be the limiting factor on Wii U. The real problems here are ideological stubbornness, bigotry and ugly malevolence. EA has come pretty low when most of use sure believed they couldn't sink any lower.

But is there A New Hope? What if Disney forces EA to put their games on all platforms in order to maintain a relationship with all companies. If Disney forces EA to  also make their Star Wars games on Wii U, then EA will have to fit Frostbite 3 on the Wii U. This means that if Wii U sales increase and the console already has Frostbite 3 because of Disney, then we might see other EA games on the console.

Is this a possibility? What do you guys think?

...or, it's just not worth their time and resources to develop games for a userbase of 3 million.

As for your topic, why would Disney force EA to develop games for the Wii U? What do you mean by "to maintain a relationship with all companies"?

Disney being  a smart company wouldn't want to burn a relationship with nintendo over EA. Since Disney is a big and powerful company they can dictate that EA makes their games for nintendo systems or Disney will have other devs and pubs do the work. Depending on their contract this may or may not be the case. I think Disney and Nintendo can go hand in hand together.

Why would not developing some games for the Wii U burn their relationship with Nintendo? Is Nintendo not going to allow them to release other games in the future if they do not release games now for the Wii U?

The contract that Disney has with EA is probably not as black and white as "you must release every Star Wars franchise games you develop to every video game platiform on the market". There are probably tons of clauses that allow EA to skip development for a particular platiform if certain conditions exist.


By not releasing games on the Nintendo systems it would hurt nintendoes and disney relationship. I dont know what else to say. In business snubbing somebody usually isn't best for relations. I agree, I doubt its black and white. But being as nintendo and disney have cultivated a great reltionship with parents, kids, and family, they make a good fit for each other. Parents will more easily buy a disney labled game than other for their kids as disney is a known safe entity to them.

 

But after reading the other thread it looks like this is only for their Star Wars IP so it may make no difference. If it was all Disney IPs it would.



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Arcturus on 07 May 2013
aikohualda said:
Arcturus said:
aikohualda said:
Arcturus said:
aikohualda said:
Arcturus said:
echoesfromthepast said:

DICE's Johan Andersson confirmed that the company had tested Frostbite 2 on the Wii U, and wasn't impressed with the results — which means that Frostbite 3 hasn't even been ported to Wii U. The EAmpire Strikes Back.

This, as most of you probably know, is pure BS. If it doesn't work right away, make it work. Don't just whine about it. Making it work is your job. Since Frostbite 3 will be hitting PS3 and X360, hardware can't be the limiting factor on Wii U. The real problems here are ideological stubbornness, bigotry and ugly malevolence. EA has come pretty low when most of use sure believed they couldn't sink any lower.

But is there A New Hope? What if Disney forces EA to put their games on all platforms in order to maintain a relationship with all companies. If Disney forces EA to  also make their Star Wars games on Wii U, then EA will have to fit Frostbite 3 on the Wii U. This means that if Wii U sales increase and the console already has Frostbite 3 because of Disney, then we might see other EA games on the console.

Is this a possibility? What do you guys think?

...or, it's just not worth their time and resources to develop games for a userbase of 3 million.

As for your topic, why would Disney force EA to develop games for the Wii U? What do you mean by "to maintain a relationship with all companies"?

a userbase of 3 million and potential market

its like saying why invest on ps4 and the next box since their current userbase is zero...

You're right, 3 million is a potential market. But EA doesn't have unlimited resources (and in fact, they just cut 10% of their workforce), so it would make more sense for them to focus their efforts on the market of 140 million users (PS3+360).

3 million AND potential market...

im sorr but you think wii u will sell 3 million in its lifetime? or you just missed how "AND" and "IS A" are two different things????

I never said it was going to sell 3 million lifetime. It's 3 million right now, and showing slow growth. We will probably see a user base of 5 million by the end of the year. That's still a small market compared to the 140M users in the 360+PS3 market.

well its not just userbase sometimes.... it is also opening new market.

if userbase is the only basis they should also port it to iphone and android. which probably exceeds 140M users.

it is true that they will most likely focus on the ps360, but there is still a chance that they will be doing it for the wii u esp if the numbers starts expanding (most likely japanese market)

Oh they won't be skipping the mobile market. In the announcement yesterday, they mentioned the EA will be developing Star Wars titles for the "core audience" on all interactive platiforms (I assume this means all consoles + 3DS & Vita), and Disney retains the rights to develop titles for mobile, social, and online platiforms.



Mr Khan on 07 May 2013
Akvod said:
Mr Khan said:
Euphoria14 said:

EA's engines were already tailored for the PS360 and moving the games and engine(s) to PS4/720 is a non-issue since they are basic x86 setups. So (1) version of the engine supports PS360 while the other version supports PS4/720/PC.

WiiU on the other hand is custom hardware, so they do not see the worth for investing time and money into developing a new version of their engines for just (1) console.


That is the reality of the situation. It is not their jobs to make sure it runs on WiiU. It is their job to make money and judging by WiiU sales, the money won't be made there.

 

People hate to hear this, but it's the truth. Want those games? Buy a different console.

We've run over this one before. It's not about wanting the games, it's about wanting EA to man up and stop being a bunch of babies.


And EA's goal is to make money.

The problem here is that people are thinking that EA's decision was some kind of emotional decision, rather than giving them the doubt that EA made a business decision.

Because EA has a history of not trying to sabotage and destroy consoles just to satisfy their overblown egos?



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Mr Khan on 07 May 2013
Euphoria14 said:
Mr Khan said:
Euphoria14 said:

EA's engines were already tailored for the PS360 and moving the games and engine(s) to PS4/720 is a non-issue since they are basic x86 setups. So (1) version of the engine supports PS360 while the other version supports PS4/720/PC.

WiiU on the other hand is custom hardware, so they do not see the worth for investing time and money into developing a new version of their engines for just (1) console.


That is the reality of the situation. It is not their jobs to make sure it runs on WiiU. It is their job to make money and judging by WiiU sales, the money won't be made there.

 

People hate to hear this, but it's the truth. Want those games? Buy a different console.

We've run over this one before. It's not about wanting the games, it's about wanting EA to man up and stop being a bunch of babies.

Sorry, but this "man up" argument is ridiculous. I'm not even going down that route again.

 

You act like they are obligated to make games for your console of choice. If they don't see the opportunity to make big returns, then they are not obligated to work and work in order to create that market on Nintendo consoles. Why do that when they can continue as is without the need to create new versions of their current engines?

I hope there is more than just "manning up" or obligations and "principle".

 

What is even more astonishing is that from your tone it seems like you won't even buy their games, yet you think they should make them for you?

again, missing the point. It's not about me, or the games i will or won't buy. It's about honesty, integrity, and fair play, things EA clearly has no interest in. They're lying, and completely getting away with it, and that infuriates me.



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Euphoria14 on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:

again, missing the point. It's not about me, or the games i will or won't buy. It's about honesty, integrity, and fair play, things EA clearly has no interest in. They're lying, and completely getting away with it, and that infuriates me.

Well, if you wish to keep yourself all bent out of shape over games you personally don't care about, then go ahead.



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TheLastStarFighter on 07 May 2013

I find it funny that some people deny that EA does not want Nintendo to succeed. This isn't conspiracy, EA openly admits it.