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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
NobleTeam360 said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.

Yet with all that science they still can't disprove God exists or doesn't exist. 


Science can't disprove unicorns either. What's your point?


That was my point? Science can only take humanity so far.



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NobleTeam360 said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.

Yet with all that science they still can't disprove God exists or doesn't exist. 

In a way you can. It takes logic and results from experiements with the brain's activity. Actually, its been done before. Children were told that there was a ghost that could understand them and they believed it. In a way you cant disprove the ghost exists or doesnt exist in the same way you cant God. Does god exist? It only exists as a fidget of peoples imagination.

Lets move on from it, it really isnt difficult to understand.

Now if you believe in God because you WANT to believe, even knowing he is very unlikely and illogical, i can understand. Its the hope that exists in all of us, cause its what would deliver us from the cruel and fleeting existances we are.



NobleTeam360 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Yet with all that science they still can't disprove God exists or doesn't exist. 


Science can't disprove unicorns either. What's your point?


That was my point? Science can only take humanity so far.


Well, if science can't prove that God doesn't exist that's hardly a good reason to believe that he does.

Let alone justify it.



Nem said:
NobleTeam360 said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.

Yet with all that science they still can't disprove God exists or doesn't exist. 

In a way you can. It takes logic and results from experiements with the brain's activity. Actually, its been done before. Children were told that there was a ghost that could understand them and they believed it. In a way you cant disprove the ghost exists or doesnt exist in the same way you cant God. Does god exist? It only exists as a fidget of peoples imagination.

Lets move on from it, it really isnt difficult to understand.

Now if you believe in God because you WANT to believe, even knowing he is very unlikely and illogical, i can understand. Its the hope that exists in all of us, cause its what would deliver us from the cruel and fleeting existances we are.


Well I'm sure that's how most adults think. When we die is it just eternal darkness void of anything and you just cease to exist or is their something more after this life? The day science can answers that question is likely never. 



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
NobleTeam360 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Yet with all that science they still can't disprove God exists or doesn't exist. 


Science can't disprove unicorns either. What's your point?


That was my point? Science can only take humanity so far.


Well, if science can't prove that God doesn't exist that's hardly a good reason to believe that he does.

Let alone justify it.

Personally I love science and technology, but I still choose to believe in God and if he doesn't exist when I die so be it, it isn't a loss either way. 



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Rab said:

How could a God be created? What is it's beginning?


how could the universe be created?What is it's beginning?

 

it is easier and more plausible to believe that something almighty that exists beyond time,matter and space has created time matter and space than that the universe incl. all laws hat created itself out of nothing without reason,will  or substance to create even one atom.



There's things we cannot understand. That's for sure. That does not mean these things are supernatural.



SxyxS said:
Rab said:

How could a God be created? What is it's beginning?


how could the universe be created?What is it's beginning?

 

it is easier and more plausible to believe that something almighty that exists beyond time,matter and space has created time matter and space than that the universe incl. all laws hat created itself out of nothing without reason,will  or substance to create even one atom.

Fixed your sentence for you. No need to thank me.



I am the Playstation Avenger.

   

But they'll say that "science would eventually prove it.... in the mean time lets just not believe in god"

 

Remember, it is easier to not follow rules. It's funny because I could have sworn almost every religion who oppose each other proves that Jesus (Peace be upon him) talked in his crib claiming he came from god.... Not neccessarily his son(atleast I don't believe in that) but he came with a message. Even moses (peace be upon him) came with a message,  if you look deep enough, and Mohammad(peace be upon him and his progeny), if you simply open a book

 

But lets stay on the existence of god. So the people who disbelieve in god are saying that we came from nothing, we became something , and we are going to nothing?

 

Religion is made up to control groups? A child (a few days old) made up a religion? Really!?

 

Regardless. Here is a long text where Prophet mohammad's Grandson answers all the questions you guys are posing in a simple manner. Its funny because that incident took place almost a thousand years ago, and still the same questions.... http://www.al-islam.org/short/halila/4.htm

 

 

And please don't boycott it because it is an islamic text. The problem with this world is they don't want to read anymore. Just like when some "Muslim" does some tarrorist activity, it is reflected on the whole faith, where if one dares to read the Quran (which was revealed about 1434 years ago, and still unchanged) condemns these acts and, in fact, explains the extreme punishments from god for people who carrry suchacts. For example

 

" For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. " Quran Chapter 5, verse 32.

 

I have been living in Canada/US(back and forth) for 20 years now( almost all my life) and one thing is for certain,most  people like to be told what to think rather than simply open a book and find your answers.Maybe because no one likes reading anymore. Where is that entertaining game that explains religion better!? Bioshock infinite!? I Kid I Kid

 

Cheers.

 

 



god is nothing but socio political construct created (Edit: invented) to control primitive crowd, nothing more or less.

the success of one particular concept of god is in no way evidence that this kind of god actually exist, it is just evidence for success of some political construct.

the authority can force anyone to belief in anything, it's just the evidence to support one fact that most humans are nothing but herd animal capable of believing in anything, ask in soviet Russia practically overnight the Bolshevik regime forced most of nation to belief in one particular political doctrine in the same way as 4th century roman empire enforced one particular religious way, first they converted most of nobility and then they converted rest it was however not contrary to soviet Russia overnight.