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Veknoid_Outcast on 04 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree about that. I don't think the bar was low at all. Rare created its great games during a golden age of game design. I really can't see how the fourth and fifth generations could be called anything else. Final Fantasy III, Super Metroid, Super Street Fighter II, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Panzer Dragoon, etc. --- these are the games that set the bar, and Rare games consistently matched them.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree, because we'll never come to any soft of reconciliation here. I think Rare's games on the SNES, N64, and in the arcades were some of the best ever. You think they're overrated. I don't imagine either of us will be convinced otherwise.

What do you mean Rare matched those games? Rare made similar games to what Nintendo was doing, but they didn't make anything comparable to most of those IPs you mentioned. Rare didn't make anything that matches Street Fighter, Gran Turismo, Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy.

Once again, just because Rare was capable of making some cutting edge games in the 90s doesn't mean they knew how to cater to modern audiences.

We didn't see former employees of Rare making big hits after leaving Rare. Their last game with Nintendo wasn't considered great either. It was just another platformer that sold well because of Nintendo's audience.

I think you're taking that too literally. I mean similar in quality, not in genre. Of course Rare didn't make a 60-hour RPG.

But, seriously, let's just agree to disagree. Clearly we have two very different opinions about the quality and popularity of Rare's games, before and after the acquisition by Microsoft.



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AbbathTheGrim on 04 May 2013

I am sure Xbox720 will be a killer, but it is just too soon to predict who is the one getting killed.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

Mr Puggsly on 04 May 2013
Michael-5 said:
Jega said:
NinjaHanzo said:
Halo 5
Gears of war 4
Forza 5

Wow, i didnt see that coming.

Of course you didn't see those coming.

But you saw the obvious ones like:

Ryse

Respawn game (Call of Duty Devs)

2 New Ips that could be big.

But I guess you don't see things the way I do.

LOL 2 new IP's that "could be big" When was the last time a new exclusive IP, or even a reintroduced franchise (Like Banjo Kazooie, or Conker) was big?

the last big new IP's I saw were Alan Wake, Lost Odyssey, and Gears of War, and that's for the most part, all the new IP's on the 360

Aw c'mon! No love for Crackdown? Those games were awesome!



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Mr Puggsly on 04 May 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree about that. I don't think the bar was low at all. Rare created its great games during a golden age of game design. I really can't see how the fourth and fifth generations could be called anything else. Final Fantasy III, Super Metroid, Super Street Fighter II, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Panzer Dragoon, etc. --- these are the games that set the bar, and Rare games consistently matched them.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree, because we'll never come to any soft of reconciliation here. I think Rare's games on the SNES, N64, and in the arcades were some of the best ever. You think they're overrated. I don't imagine either of us will be convinced otherwise.

What do you mean Rare matched those games? Rare made similar games to what Nintendo was doing, but they didn't make anything comparable to most of those IPs you mentioned. Rare didn't make anything that matches Street Fighter, Gran Turismo, Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy.

Once again, just because Rare was capable of making some cutting edge games in the 90s doesn't mean they knew how to cater to modern audiences.

We didn't see former employees of Rare making big hits after leaving Rare. Their last game with Nintendo wasn't considered great either. It was just another platformer that sold well because of Nintendo's audience.

I think you're taking that too literally. I mean similar in quality, not in genre. Of course Rare didn't make a 60-hour RPG.

But, seriously, let's just agree to disagree. Clearly we have two very different opinions about the quality and popularity of Rare's games, before and after the acquisition by Microsoft.

Dude, you can't say Rare made something that matched Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, or Gran Turismo when they never made a game anything comparable. Did they make something equal in quality? That's a silly argument.

I don't feel the old Rare staff was in touch with what the 360 audience enjoys. While you feel MS ruined a studio that could have POTENTIALLY created great games. All we know for sure is the old Rare staff hasn't done anything amazing after leaving Rare.



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Veknoid_Outcast on 04 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree about that. I don't think the bar was low at all. Rare created its great games during a golden age of game design. I really can't see how the fourth and fifth generations could be called anything else. Final Fantasy III, Super Metroid, Super Street Fighter II, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Panzer Dragoon, etc. --- these are the games that set the bar, and Rare games consistently matched them.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree, because we'll never come to any soft of reconciliation here. I think Rare's games on the SNES, N64, and in the arcades were some of the best ever. You think they're overrated. I don't imagine either of us will be convinced otherwise.

What do you mean Rare matched those games? Rare made similar games to what Nintendo was doing, but they didn't make anything comparable to most of those IPs you mentioned. Rare didn't make anything that matches Street Fighter, Gran Turismo, Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy.

Once again, just because Rare was capable of making some cutting edge games in the 90s doesn't mean they knew how to cater to modern audiences.

We didn't see former employees of Rare making big hits after leaving Rare. Their last game with Nintendo wasn't considered great either. It was just another platformer that sold well because of Nintendo's audience.

I think you're taking that too literally. I mean similar in quality, not in genre. Of course Rare didn't make a 60-hour RPG.

But, seriously, let's just agree to disagree. Clearly we have two very different opinions about the quality and popularity of Rare's games, before and after the acquisition by Microsoft.

Dude, you can't say Rare made something that matched Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, or Gran Turismo when they never made a game anything comparable. Did they make something equal in quality? That's a silly argument.

I don't feel the old Rare staff was in touch with what the 360 audience enjoys. While you feel MS ruined a studio that could have POTENTIALLY created great games. All we know for sure is the old Rare staff hasn't done anything amazing after leaving Rare.

There's nothing silly about it. Tetris and Mass Effect, for example, are worlds apart in game design and genre, but they're both great games. I have no issue comparing games of different genres and eras.

Now, wait. I never said Microsoft ruined the studio. That's a straw man. I said the decline was due to the loss of creative talent and Microsoft's mismanagement.

You keep referencing the "Nintendo audience" and "Microsoft audience." Who are these people?



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Cj2i3 on 04 May 2013

The Xbox 720 will be so killer that even CEO Kaz Hirai of Sony will want to play it, and once he plays the mighty Xbox tears of joy will drip from his eyes. These tears will also sell Ps4's, unfortunately the tears are on fire but the PS4's that are purchased come with a free yogurt(yogurt is also on fire).



Tachikoma on 04 May 2013

When it comes to Rare, i think some people have rose tinted nostalgia glasses on.

When it comes to this thread, people need to not bring other consoles into it, the OP didnt in first post, just expressing his excitement for the new system,



ironmanDX on 04 May 2013
Cj2i3 said:
The Xbox 720 will be so killer that even CEO Kaz Hirai of Sony will want to play it, and once he plays the mighty Xbox tears of joy will drip from his eyes. These tears will also sell Ps4's, unfortunately the tears are on fire but the PS4's that are purchased come with a free yogurt(yogurt is also on fire).


Seconded.

 

 

Lol.



DirtyP2002 on 04 May 2013

The Xbox 720 reveal will be big for sure.Can't wait for it. They might actually show the console and get some media attention with it!



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

goopy20 on 04 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree about that. I don't think the bar was low at all. Rare created its great games during a golden age of game design. I really can't see how the fourth and fifth generations could be called anything else. Final Fantasy III, Super Metroid, Super Street Fighter II, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Panzer Dragoon, etc. --- these are the games that set the bar, and Rare games consistently matched them.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree, because we'll never come to any soft of reconciliation here. I think Rare's games on the SNES, N64, and in the arcades were some of the best ever. You think they're overrated. I don't imagine either of us will be convinced otherwise.

What do you mean Rare matched those games? Rare made similar games to what Nintendo was doing, but they didn't make anything comparable to most of those IPs you mentioned. Rare didn't make anything that matches Street Fighter, Gran Turismo, Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy.

Once again, just because Rare was capable of making some cutting edge games in the 90s doesn't mean they knew how to cater to modern audiences.

We didn't see former employees of Rare making big hits after leaving Rare. Their last game with Nintendo wasn't considered great either. It was just another platformer that sold well because of Nintendo's audience.

I think you're taking that too literally. I mean similar in quality, not in genre. Of course Rare didn't make a 60-hour RPG.

But, seriously, let's just agree to disagree. Clearly we have two very different opinions about the quality and popularity of Rare's games, before and after the acquisition by Microsoft.

Dude, you can't say Rare made something that matched Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, or Gran Turismo when they never made a game anything comparable. Did they make something equal in quality? That's a silly argument.

I don't feel the old Rare staff was in touch with what the 360 audience enjoys. While you feel MS ruined a studio that could have POTENTIALLY created great games. All we know for sure is the old Rare staff hasn't done anything amazing after leaving Rare.

Rare has been degraded to making casual Kinect crap for years. Now it's just a name that people assosiate with the Nintendo era and games like Golden Eye, Donkey Kong etc. Great games for it's time but also games that don't really appeal to the Xbox crowd and will probably not translate very well if they did a next gen version. Still, it will be interesting what they will do on the new Xbox. Hopefully it's something fresh, but if it's more Kinect Sports then I will pass though.