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Microsoft might not "host the games" in Call of Duty but their servers are used for matchmaking, which is no small amount of traffic. PS3 version uses demonware. Good, but not up to par with MS MM servers.

Also, lets not forget the bandwidth involved in downloading the games you play online and DLC for the games you play online. MS provides bandwidth to developers for these things free of charge. On PS3 Sony charges for bandwidth on everything. End result is every single XBLA game has a trial or demo, nowhere close to that on PSN.



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Adinnieken said:
kjj4t9rdad said:
Adinnieken said:
UltimateUnknown said:

Out of curiosity, could you list the games Steam has given for free so far. Of course I am talking games that are relatively recent and aren't free to play by nature. It seems crazy that a service would give away 3rd party games for free on a monthly basis.

I have seen some pretty awesome offers available on steam but not any free AAA games yet. So I would be interested to know when such things happen. I did get a free copy of Dirt 3 with my graphics card though but that doesn't count.

Age of Empires Online.

Free, but the content that provides the game with real value requires additional purchases.

Age of Empires Online is F2P.  It being free has nothing to do with Steam.

It's free to play up to Level 20 with three civilizations, but if you want achievements, if you want to be able to use some of the cool stuff you accumulate, or actually play versus or with someone else that'll cost you.

Yes, I know.  That is how F2P games work. Microtransactions.  Again, it being "free" has nothing to do with Steam.



ramses01 said:
If sony doesn't shift to a paid online service, whoever made that decision should be fired. Sony is leaving way too much money on the table by offering free online.

The economics are crystal clear at least in the US. Not charging for online could put Sony out of business or at least relegate them to a niche player.


It was never supposed to be premium. Microsoft brought in the business model that you SHOULD pay. Nowhere else does this happen but with Microsoft so stop acting like Sony needs to do it. This is why they created an alternative that gives you choice. Microsoft gives you zero choice in your premium service.



Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.



 Go Team Venture! I still don't get the Wii, PS Move,  and Kinect.

Heavenly Sigma said:
Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.

Why won't the PS4's premium plan offer free games?  From what I am seeing, the plan is to get people to sign up for a subscription and have them access a huge library.  It will be like what you have with Plus now, with needing subscribing to the service to access.  Maybe they get rid of offering content at a reduced price for a premium service.  My distinct feeling is Sony is very much interested in an ongoing revenuee stream.



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He's probably referring to the fact that PS4 has no backwards compatibility.

They could still offer some PSN/PS4 retail games though. Just not amazing ones or anything.



Adinnieken said:
Zappykins said:
I think for their best interest, Sony should try to offer a better online service than Microsoft. Even if they charge less for it, you have to make strong compelling reason for people to switch.

That being said, I haven’t seen anything to make me think they are doing that. It looks more like catching up to me. Microsoft it a tough cookie, and has been online for a long time. They offer a strong and varied service.

If the new Skype/Kinect 2.0 really does what people are hoping. It will open new world for them.

The on exception is the Share Button. Sony seems like they have done smart thing by including that button and features.

Microsoft tried something like the Share button with XBL and people disabled it.  A few friends might be interested in what you share, but the majority of people will find it annoying and disable it.  I'm not saying offering it is a bad thing, I'm not sure gaming and social networks fit together.  Possibly if it ties back to Sony's own forums it may be successful, but the problem is the audience.  If Sony provides a way to direct the shared content to a "Gamers" group you create, then it may work.  However, if I was a teenager and I had my parents, friends, classmates, and teachers on my Facebook, I wouldn't want to be sharing to everyone of them that I just made an awesome kill Call of Duty, when I was supposed to be working on an essay that I didn't turn in the following day.

The audience to me is just wrong for sharing gaming content.

Oh man! I was trying hard to complement them on... ...something innovative, new or creative.  Turns out I didn't know they were copying what someone else has already gotten rid of.  Well, I wish them luck then.

To a specific group, or on your 'gaming area' sounds like a good idea. I know in Dance Central 3 you can send out score challenges, but I don't know what they look like to receive them.  I hope it’s not annoying.

I think Beacons or something like that should be something they are planning.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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DirtyP2002 said:
I am happy that I am wealthy enough to not care about $60 / year. I am sorry for all you other guys.

Seriously, why do you make such a big deal out of this? It is $5 PER MONTH. I pay 2.8€ (about $3.6) a DAY just for the metro to get to work.


Its true that $5 a month is nothing, but $60 a year is the price of a brand new game. In Economics, the oppotunity cost for paying for Xbox Live is quite high.  



    

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Otakumegane said:
There are many people who aren't willing to pay for LIVE. No online fee can be used as a selling point.

What I'm surprised is that they don't advertise the free online.


I'm pretty on the fence these days as far as Sony/MS siding but I'll say it straight. I've never met anyone who owns an Xbox 360 and refuses to pay for live because of cost. They don't have it because they don't play multiplayer. The only people I've ever seen who aren't willing to pay for live are people on forums like VGChartz who don't actually own an Xbox 360 and own a PS3.

Not trying to have a go but the gold subscription figures speak for themselves.

From a business point of view I think Sony are stark raving bonkers for not exploiting the revenue stream of charging for online and constantly giving away free stuff. PS+ is way too much of a good deal for customers and I ask myself how on earth they are making any money on it after paying publishers the royalties for offering those games for free. I don't know how they do it and make a profit.

Of course, that's great for the consumer and hats off to Sony for it.

It still doesn't change the fact though that people will and do pay for Live in massive numbers, and the cost is not an obstacle in any way whatsoever.



richardhutnik said:
Heavenly Sigma said:
Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.

Why won't the PS4's premium plan offer free games?  From what I am seeing, the plan is to get people to sign up for a subscription and have them access a huge library.  It will be like what you have with Plus now, with needing subscribing to the service to access.  Maybe they get rid of offering content at a reduced price for a premium service.  My distinct feeling is Sony is very much interested in an ongoing revenuee stream.


Because the publishers will be demanding too much money to offer their games for free during subscription. It would put the cost of PS+ through the roof. Since the PS4 would only have just been released, they could only offer "new" games - new games royalty cost to publisher would be a multitude of cost more than "old" games 12 months+ for example.

Think about it, offering game that have just come out for free is lost sales for a publisher, wheras free games as they are now on PS+ are 9/10 going to be games that were never going to be a sale to that PS+ subscriber in the first place.

The cost of developement makes the lions share of the outlay for a game, disk/packaging/marketing/distributor fees is a tiny percentage taken out of the return that the publisher receives.

Not going to happen basically.