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timmah said:
pokoko said:
happydolphin said:
Why is it retarded to see if there isn't a link between the games he played and the events that played out?

1,2,3 go

Because it's actually meaningless unless those games are the cause of his insanity, and I'm pretty sure they are not.  What if it turned out that he was performing a scene from the bible?  What if it was a scene from a novel?  What would that mean, exactly?  What would the reactions be then?  Are they checking for those scenarios as well?  Is there a reason why they're checking for a video game link beyond complete speculation?  How are they going to be able to separate it from the influence of films, which have far, far more material to draw from?

Really, for me, this whole situation is simple:  don't let people with serious mental problems have access to violent media and, more importantly, don't give them access to guns.

It's not meaningless at all. If somebody has a predisposition to violent behavior, then violent media of any kind can certainly exacerbate the problem by feeding the violent mindset with fantasy, which then becomes 'reality' for the disturbed individual. You also need to understand the difference between a movie (where you just watch the violence) and a game (where you actually cause the violence to happen on screen), this is a huge difference to the mind of an individual who has difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. This type of media has a substantially different effect on a disturbed mind than it does on your mind.

Even if it is not the cause of the problem in this case, it could be one of the pieces of the puzzle. The reason they're looking specifically at the violent games is, he had a whole lot of them. If he had a massive library of violent movies and few or no games, I'm assuming they would be looking for a link to the movies.

There is no case to be made for banning violent games, but more research and awareness might lead parents of similar children to keep them away from such media, be it games, movies, books, whatever.

I'm going to need some research links for that, please, as I believe the exact opposite.  Sounds a lot like the Dungeons & Dragons bunk from a few decades ago.  Watching fake people die in videogames has never, ever affected me in near the same way as watching real human beings realisitcally depict death in films.  Not even close.  I think violent films are far more potentially damaging to children--not that they should necessarily have access to either, of course.



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irstupid said:
kaneada said:
Somini said:

Adam Lanza is a dirtbag. There's nothing else to it. The guy was a mental case who needed professional help. Or perhaps some real, non-gun toting time with his mother.

While the reason behind the Sandy Hook shooting may never be realized, it's certainly not due to video games. 27 people were killed at his hand and we are still looking into the fact that he owned "thousands of dollars worth" of violent video games.

Now the police are looking into whether Adam Lanza was emulating a video game scenario while he massacred innocent kids. I've never read such bullshit in my life.

Good call police force. It's the video games that caused this. Not the guns within arms' distance, the fact that he used to shoot with his mother, his sensory integration disorder, or his Asperger's syndrome.

Nah, none of those could have been the issue here.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/hc-raising-adam-lanza-20130217,0,5614292,full.story


I would actually wager that it was none of those things that were the direct root of his actions. If he had Asperger's then his crime would be somewhat of an anomoly becaues Asperger's , like many forms of Autism aren't associated with violent behavior. 

Also I stand behind the argument that you can't blame guns for violence for the same reason that you can't blame video games, movies, books, or any other medium of entertainment or information. 

His crime would be an anomoly how so?  How many people have asberger's?  How many people play violent video games (look at COD #'s)  Isn't a person killing because of a violent video game also then an anomoly?

Because his Aspergers syndrome was pointed out as a potential cause for his violent behavior...Aspergers is a well documented form of Autism and like all forms of Autism violent bevaior is not associated with with Asperger's. So if his Aspergers is one of the deciding factors in his choice to act out violently then his crime would be an anomoly, for the same reason that his learning to shoot a gun, his playing violent video games, the fact that he shot guns with his mother, or any other of the highlighted causes would make this crime an anomoly. As I said, most likely none of those things mentioned had anything to do with his choice to act violently.



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sergiodaly said:
IMO, games are rated for appropriate ages, and those should be used to guide people in the usage of video games. i know people will say its easy for me because i can play what ever i want (32 years old, no limits here) but i am a gamer for almost 20 years now and when i was a young gamer i did not need FPS to be a happy gamer, and 12 year old children shouldn't be playing 18+ or 16+ rated games. what we play does not define what we are, but could certainly shape some part of us...
totally against game censorship, but the rates are there for something... Parents and game stores should implement them...

Most stores that sell or rent games won't let kids have them.  Sure, some get through, but the overwhelming majory of kids who play violent games get them from a parent.  Even if they get them another way, it still often means that the parents aren't making any effort to see what their kid is playing.  It's not like a porn magazine they can sneak into the bathroom, games have to be played on large television screens.

I speak from experience on that.  I ran a video store for several years.  Even games where I felt I needed to make an extra effort to warn the parent about, like GTA, were usually met with a shrug.

Not that I'm necessarily saying those parents are bad.  Some know their children and what they can handle.  Some fifteen year olds can play or watch something 18+ with no problem, some can't.  It was those who display complete apathy that bothered me.



pokoko said:
timmah said:
pokoko said:
happydolphin said:
Why is it retarded to see if there isn't a link between the games he played and the events that played out?

1,2,3 go

Because it's actually meaningless unless those games are the cause of his insanity, and I'm pretty sure they are not.  What if it turned out that he was performing a scene from the bible?  What if it was a scene from a novel?  What would that mean, exactly?  What would the reactions be then?  Are they checking for those scenarios as well?  Is there a reason why they're checking for a video game link beyond complete speculation?  How are they going to be able to separate it from the influence of films, which have far, far more material to draw from?

Really, for me, this whole situation is simple:  don't let people with serious mental problems have access to violent media and, more importantly, don't give them access to guns.

It's not meaningless at all. If somebody has a predisposition to violent behavior, then violent media of any kind can certainly exacerbate the problem by feeding the violent mindset with fantasy, which then becomes 'reality' for the disturbed individual. You also need to understand the difference between a movie (where you just watch the violence) and a game (where you actually cause the violence to happen on screen), this is a huge difference to the mind of an individual who has difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. This type of media has a substantially different effect on a disturbed mind than it does on your mind.

Even if it is not the cause of the problem in this case, it could be one of the pieces of the puzzle. The reason they're looking specifically at the violent games is, he had a whole lot of them. If he had a massive library of violent movies and few or no games, I'm assuming they would be looking for a link to the movies.

There is no case to be made for banning violent games, but more research and awareness might lead parents of similar children to keep them away from such media, be it games, movies, books, whatever.

I'm going to need some research links for that, please, as I believe the exact opposite.  Sounds a lot like the Dungeons & Dragons bunk from a few decades ago.  Watching fake people die in videogames has never, ever affected me in near the same way as watching real human beings realisitcally depict death in films.  Not even close.  I think violent films are far more potentially damaging to children--not that they should necessarily have access to either, of course.

I agree with you as this applies to most cases. Keep in mind, you're going based on how these things affect you, but I'm talking about how it affects people with a certain combination of mental ailments. Asbergers is not usually associated with violent tendencies (in fact, it very rarely is), but some (very few) people with asbergers or autism also suffer from other mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder, an inability or decreased ability to feel physical/emotional pain (I don't remember what that's called), and inability to distinguish fantasy from reality, or even psychosis. It is very, very rare for Asbergers or Autism to be associated with violence, but in those rare cases where some autism spectrum disorder is also present with other disorders, specifically resulting in violent tendencies, THAT is the very specific, rare case where violent media (especially video games) can be problematic.

My brother works at a facility that treats people with autism spectrum disorders, and the most violent cases he sees are commonly addicted to violent video games (and I mean, really, really addicted). They also tend to have parents who coddle them & give them whatever they want, so that may be part of it as well. Removing the access to violent media, as well as changing the parental dynamic usually results in a very positive change over the next year of treatment.



Just blame the parents. Easy as that. Lanza is the criminal here and his parents did not do enough to make sure the kid was getting the help he needed. The mom had guns up the wazoo and his dad was even there for him, or so the reports say.



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happydolphin said:
Why is it retarded to see if there isn't a link between the games he played and the events that played out?

1,2,3 go


It's not crazy but politicians are saying it like it has not been done a hundered time's before now. 

None of the study's to date have shown a link to video game violence that would come close to explaining the school shooting's that occur.

If you look at the top ten country's for violent video game's 9 out of 10 have the lowest rate's of crime in the world.

The exeption was America a nation flooded with gun's, severe social economic problem's and poor mental health care.

People are using the violent video game's argument as a get out of jail free card for really fixing the issue.

By the time the study's are done people will have sufficiently gotten past the shooting for politician's to do what they do best: NOTHING



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

SlayerRondo said:
happydolphin said:
Why is it retarded to see if there isn't a link between the games he played and the events that played out?

1,2,3 go


It's not crazy but politicians are saying it like it has not been done a hundered time's before now. 

None of the study's to date have shown a link to video game violence that would come close to explaining the school shooting's that occur.

If you look at the top ten country's for violent video game's 9 out of 10 have the lowest rate's of crime in the world.

The exeption was America a nation flooded with gun's, severe social economic problem's and poor mental health care.

People are using the violent video game's argument as a get out of jail free card for really fixing the issue.

By the time the study's are done people will have sufficiently gotten past the shooting for politician's to do what they do best: NOTHING

I replied to almost all of these in my replies above to other peoples' posts.



timmah said:
pokoko said:
timmah said:
pokoko said:
happydolphin said:
Why is it retarded to see if there isn't a link between the games he played and the events that played out?

1,2,3 go

Because it's actually meaningless unless those games are the cause of his insanity, and I'm pretty sure they are not.  What if it turned out that he was performing a scene from the bible?  What if it was a scene from a novel?  What would that mean, exactly?  What would the reactions be then?  Are they checking for those scenarios as well?  Is there a reason why they're checking for a video game link beyond complete speculation?  How are they going to be able to separate it from the influence of films, which have far, far more material to draw from?

Really, for me, this whole situation is simple:  don't let people with serious mental problems have access to violent media and, more importantly, don't give them access to guns.

It's not meaningless at all. If somebody has a predisposition to violent behavior, then violent media of any kind can certainly exacerbate the problem by feeding the violent mindset with fantasy, which then becomes 'reality' for the disturbed individual. You also need to understand the difference between a movie (where you just watch the violence) and a game (where you actually cause the violence to happen on screen), this is a huge difference to the mind of an individual who has difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. This type of media has a substantially different effect on a disturbed mind than it does on your mind.

Even if it is not the cause of the problem in this case, it could be one of the pieces of the puzzle. The reason they're looking specifically at the violent games is, he had a whole lot of them. If he had a massive library of violent movies and few or no games, I'm assuming they would be looking for a link to the movies.

There is no case to be made for banning violent games, but more research and awareness might lead parents of similar children to keep them away from such media, be it games, movies, books, whatever.

I'm going to need some research links for that, please, as I believe the exact opposite.  Sounds a lot like the Dungeons & Dragons bunk from a few decades ago.  Watching fake people die in videogames has never, ever affected me in near the same way as watching real human beings realisitcally depict death in films.  Not even close.  I think violent films are far more potentially damaging to children--not that they should necessarily have access to either, of course.

I agree with you as this applies to most cases. Keep in mind, you're going based on how these things affect you, but I'm talking about how it affects people with a certain combination of mental ailments. Asbergers is not usually associated with violent tendencies (in fact, it very rarely is), but some (very few) people with asbergers or autism also suffer from other mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder, an inability or decreased ability to feel physical/emotional pain (I don't remember what that's called), and inability to distinguish fantasy from reality, or even psychosis. It is very, very rare for Asbergers or Autism to be associated with violence, but in those rare cases where some autism spectrum disorder is also present with other disorders, specifically resulting in violent tendencies, THAT is the very specific, rare case where violent media (especially video games) can be problematic.

My brother works at a facility that treats people with autism spectrum disorders, and the most violent cases he sees are commonly addicted to violent video games (and I mean, really, really addicted). They also tend to have parents who coddle them & give them whatever they want, so that may be part of it as well. Removing the access to violent media, as well as changing the parental dynamic usually results in a very positive change over the next year of treatment.


If you beleive that movie's and music and book's that have violent theme's don't negatively affect the mind's of disturbed people and lead them to commit violent shooting's then why not just have them be a part of the study as well? 

I have no problem with a fair study being done as the results will liekly be as they have been that video game's can result in a temporary adrenalin increase that can lead to a slight increase in agressive actions at best. 

If it were violent video game's this would be a global problem but it seem's to be more of an American issue than anything else.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

happydolphin said:
SlayerRondo said:
happydolphin said:
Why is it retarded to see if there isn't a link between the games he played and the events that played out?

1,2,3 go


It's not crazy but politicians are saying it like it has not been done a hundered time's before now. 

None of the study's to date have shown a link to video game violence that would come close to explaining the school shooting's that occur.

If you look at the top ten country's for violent video game's 9 out of 10 have the lowest rate's of crime in the world.

The exeption was America a nation flooded with gun's, severe social economic problem's and poor mental health care.

People are using the violent video game's argument as a get out of jail free card for really fixing the issue.

By the time the study's are done people will have sufficiently gotten past the shooting for politician's to do what they do best: NOTHING

I replied to almost all of these in my replies above to other peoples' posts.

The "almost" implies that you did not adress it all.

I would like to hear you're opinion's on that which you did not adress.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

We could ban, every game. how much do you think the game industry worth ?.

How many job do you think. How will it cost the USA in taxe payer.

they are so quick to find something or someone to blame. NRA ?


Mental problem without help, easy access to gun that about it.

someone who want to reproduce a game or movie violence (Are just already person with deep mental problem that it.)

if he can buy guns, well that a problem. If he can Access to a gun that a other problem.

I work in social service, and some people cannot be close to sharp object or event pen. Why the hell that rule couldn't be set for case or people ??