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Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

From the Wii, yes, but not compared to the PS3 or 360, therefore it's 7th gen, no?

If you don't compare all existing consoles to one another in terms of hardware, then how can you classify consoles which are not successors e.g. Xbox, Playstation etc?

No, the wii's competion was the X360 and PS3.  Something that is explained in the OP.  WiiU's competion will be the PS4 and the NeXbox.  hence 8th generation.  what is so hard to understand about all this?

Making an unsubstantiated claim doesn't give it truth.

The Wii was marketed at a different audience than the PS3 and 360 because the games were a) completely different and b) no multiplatform titles.

You are now just saying that a Ferrari and Dodge Ram are gunning for the same audience because they are both motor vehicles.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games

So are you telling me the wii was not competition to the X360 and the PS3?  if so why did X360 adopt kinect and the PS3 move?




       

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JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

From the Wii, yes, but not compared to the PS3 or 360, therefore it's 7th gen, no?

If you don't compare all existing consoles to one another in terms of hardware, then how can you classify consoles which are not successors e.g. Xbox, Playstation etc?

No, the wii's competion was the X360 and PS3.  Something that is explained in the OP.  WiiU's competion will be the PS4 and the NeXbox.  hence 8th generation.  what is so hard to understand about all this?

Making an unsubstantiated claim doesn't give it truth.

The Wii was marketed at a different audience than the PS3 and 360 because the games were a) completely different and b) no multiplatform titles.

You are now just saying that a Ferrari and Dodge Ram are gunning for the same audience because they are both motor vehicles.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games

So are you telling me the wii was not competition to the X360 and the PS3?  if so why did X360 adopt kinect and the PS3 move?

Market opportunity =/= competition. 

They both saw an opportunity to get into another market and did so. That doesn't mean the core consoles are competing for the same market. 



Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

From the Wii, yes, but not compared to the PS3 or 360, therefore it's 7th gen, no?

If you don't compare all existing consoles to one another in terms of hardware, then how can you classify consoles which are not successors e.g. Xbox, Playstation etc?

No, the wii's competion was the X360 and PS3.  Something that is explained in the OP.  WiiU's competion will be the PS4 and the NeXbox.  hence 8th generation.  what is so hard to understand about all this?

Making an unsubstantiated claim doesn't give it truth.

The Wii was marketed at a different audience than the PS3 and 360 because the games were a) completely different and b) no multiplatform titles.

You are now just saying that a Ferrari and Dodge Ram are gunning for the same audience because they are both motor vehicles.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games

So are you telling me the wii was not competition to the X360 and the PS3?  if so why did X360 adopt kinect and the PS3 move?

Market opportunity =/= competition. 

They both saw an opportunity to get into another market and did so. That doesn't mean the core consoles are competing for the same market. 

And games like Super Smash bros, Zelda, hell even Mad World was not aimed for gamers?  

Just make whatever useless comment you want to.  Im done and Im going to bed.  You are just throwing out useless nonsense now and to say that the wii wasnt competion is pointless.  Meanwhile Mario Kart Wii sells 30m and the wii out sells the X360 and PS3.  Gooooodnight for the final time




       

JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

From the Wii, yes, but not compared to the PS3 or 360, therefore it's 7th gen, no?

If you don't compare all existing consoles to one another in terms of hardware, then how can you classify consoles which are not successors e.g. Xbox, Playstation etc?

No, the wii's competion was the X360 and PS3.  Something that is explained in the OP.  WiiU's competion will be the PS4 and the NeXbox.  hence 8th generation.  what is so hard to understand about all this?

Making an unsubstantiated claim doesn't give it truth.

The Wii was marketed at a different audience than the PS3 and 360 because the games were a) completely different and b) no multiplatform titles.

You are now just saying that a Ferrari and Dodge Ram are gunning for the same audience because they are both motor vehicles.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games

So are you telling me the wii was not competition to the X360 and the PS3?  if so why did X360 adopt kinect and the PS3 move?

Market opportunity =/= competition. 

They both saw an opportunity to get into another market and did so. That doesn't mean the core consoles are competing for the same market. 

And games like Super Smash bros, Zelda, hell even Mad World was not aimed for gamers?  

Just make whatever useless comment you want to.  Im done and Im going to bed.  You are just throwing out useless nonsense now and to say that the wii wasnt competion is pointless.  Meanwhile Mario Kart Wii sells 30m and the wii out sells the X360 and PS3.  Gooooodnight for the final time

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games

Giving you quotes from Reggie hardly counts as "nonsense". However claiming things like the industry isn't split over the Wii U does count as nonsense:

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/5044/20130202/electronic-arts-ceo-hints-wii-u-next-generation-has-seen-xbox-720-playstation-4-does-know-a-lot-about-valve-steambox.htm

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-wii-u-graphics-power-finally-revealed

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/01/team_ninja_wii_u_is_definitely_next_generation

The ford mondeo outsells Ferrari. Does Ferrari consider the Mondeo to be a challenger? xD



JayWood2010 said:

I honestly never knew this was up for debate or that people was confused on what Next-Generation meant.  I guess some people don't consider WiiU Next-Generation, i don't know.  Anyways with the recent thread asking what makes it next gen made by Mazty I'm going to go ahead and clear that up for you.  I also want to point out 7th generation just signifies how many gens games has been through since it has began while technically some consoles are only going on their 3rd generation like xbox.  XBOX entered the 6th generation of games but it was in it's first generation.  They are two different things and does not signify power or innovation. We are going into the 8th generation of games, not the 8th generation of a specific company's console.

Next generation is simply the next step in technology for that company.  For example PS1 to PS2, XBOX to X360, PSP to PSV, and now Wii to WiiU.  

Xbrawl also made this comment which will help further explain this subject.

This is true, and it was the same thing when the Wii launched. Nintendo could release something that was only marginally more powerful than the Wii, and if they intended to go head to head with the next Xbox and Play Station, it would still be next gen. It's their offering to the next generation of consoles. It doesn't matter how damned powerful the console is. What if the Nextbox is 2x as powerful as the WiiU, and the PS4 is 2x as powerful as the Nextbox. Are they all in 3 different generations? Then how do we categorize them? 

In short: A console's generation is determined solely on which consoles it is in primary competition with.
Gen3: NES, Master System, Atari 7800
Gen4: SNES, Genesis
Gen5: N64, Saturn, PS1
Gen6: GCN, Xbox, PS2
Gen7: Wii, X360, PS3
Gen8: WiiU, X720, PS4 

So yes WiiU is next generation.  Power and innovation has nothing to do with it.  Now let's read a definition of what Next-Generation means.

Next-Generation pertaining to the next generation in a family; also, pertaining to the next stage of 

development or version of a product, service, or technology

IT could be argued that this gen had split to two  markets with PS3 and the 360 being HD consoles and the Wii sub HD but with a unique interface that attracted a new audience to Nintendo's fold , so on one side we had the Wii differentiating itself from the other two in a way we hadn't seen before and on the other two consoles so similar that have been lumped together and referred to as the console twins , PS360 etc , This seemingly fragmentation of the market into Nintendo / SonyMS is why Next gen gets confusing , clouding it even further is Nintendo's approach with the WiiU looking at it from one angle it seems they are gunning for the so called "hardcore gamer " Gee I hate that word , with online network and HD graphics so moving back towards to the other two players , but then there is the other side with the feeling that they  didn't do enough to move forward power wise and with the inclusion of the Wii U tablet that they are in fact shooting for another Wii type situation again .So we seem to have a system that comes across as Nintendo couldn't make up their mind where to exactly sit the WiiU  and it might end up sitting where the Wii sat but with out the attraction of the Wii remote.



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I'm playing games since 1992 or less and alway the generations was defined by the similar power of the consoles.

So the guys are just changing that to fit Wii and Wii U.

My personal division...

Gen6: GCN, Xbox, PS2, Wii 
Gen7: X360, PS3, WiiU 
Gen8: X720, PS4

Wii is in the middle of the Gen6 or Gen7 so you can put it in any for fit your pourpose... the Wii U the same thing in the middle of Gen7 and Gen8.

I put they together the precious gen but I can't disagree with who puts them in the next gen.



When people say the Wii U isn't Next Gen, they aren't referring to time/competition, they are referring to power/graphics. Get a clue Jay.

.Close this.



Mazty said:

Sorry but this has been done in poor taste - no one is omniscient. Just because you claim something is so doesn't make it so and as it stands, the gaming community is currently debating the status of the wii u and therefore the definition of what a next-gen console is.

This is highlighted when your post contains logical errors:

Error 1
"Next generation is simply the next step in technology for that company. For example PS1 to PS2, XBOX to X360, PSP to PSV, and now Wii to WiiU. "

What if it is the first step for that company? And why do you say the PS1 to PS2 is a step omitting the PSone?

Error 2
"In short: A console's generation is determined solely on which consoles it is in primary competition with"

Was the Wii really in competition with the PS3 or 360? The audience for the Wii was not the same audience as for the 360/PS3.
Therefore is the Wii a generation above or behind the PS3/360?


Your "definition" is not logically sound and a gross over-simplification of the many variables one has to consider with each and every console.

So, your argument is that the Wii was actually in competition with PS2, XBox, Gamecube, and Dreamcast??  Three of those systems were off the market during the Wii's lifespan, so how could they have been in primary competition with each other?  Wii was on the market alongside XBox 360 and PS3.  Therefore, yes, those were in fact in primary competition with each other.  For example, last generation, I purchased an XBox 360 (it came out first), followed by a Wii.  I skipped Sony's offering initially because of price, later because my gaming needs for the generation were already being fulfilled by 360 and Wii, so it seemed unnecessary .  So yes, Wii was in direct competition with PS3 and XBox360.  Just like Wii U will be in direct competition with the next XBox and Play Station.



Mandalore76 said:
Mazty said:

Sorry but this has been done in poor taste - no one is omniscient. Just because you claim something is so doesn't make it so and as it stands, the gaming community is currently debating the status of the wii u and therefore the definition of what a next-gen console is.

This is highlighted when your post contains logical errors:

Error 1
"Next generation is simply the next step in technology for that company. For example PS1 to PS2, XBOX to X360, PSP to PSV, and now Wii to WiiU. "

What if it is the first step for that company? And why do you say the PS1 to PS2 is a step omitting the PSone?

Error 2
"In short: A console's generation is determined solely on which consoles it is in primary competition with"

Was the Wii really in competition with the PS3 or 360? The audience for the Wii was not the same audience as for the 360/PS3.
Therefore is the Wii a generation above or behind the PS3/360?


Your "definition" is not logically sound and a gross over-simplification of the many variables one has to consider with each and every console.

So, your argument is that the Wii was actually in competition with PS2, XBox, Gamecube, and Dreamcast??  Three of those systems were off the market during the Wii's lifespan, so how could they have been in primary competition with each other?  Wii was on the market alongside XBox 360 and PS3.  Therefore, yes, those were in fact in primary competition with each other.  For example, last generation, I purchased an XBox 360 (it came out first), followed by a Wii.  I skipped Sony's offering initially because of price, later because my gaming needs for the generation were already being fulfilled by 360 and Wii, so it seemed unnecessary .  So yes, Wii was in direct competition with PS3 and XBox360.  Just like Wii U will be in direct competition with the next XBox and Play Station.

No the wii wasn't in competition with any of those. It was the only console aimed at a casual market. Saying the wii was in competition with the PS3 makes no sense as neither console was aimed at the same person. It's like saying a mondeo and ram are in competition with each other as they are in a similar price point and are both auto vehicles....