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JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:

Take a step back and use common sense before talking with me.

Not my definition.  Look it up. And this isn't something that I go by, but the indsutry as a whole.  If you want to change it then dont look at it that way but it will still stay that way.

 

com·mon sense  

 

Noun
Good sense and sound judgment in practical matters

I'm not sure what the above has to do with technical and corporate matters. 

There is no definition. As I showed in my thread, the industry is quite clearly split on where the Wii U stands. For such a concrete definition, there sure is a lot of debate going on. 


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/next-generation

Once again there is your definition.  You are over thinking the situation which is why i said use common sense.  

The first generation of video game consoles lasted from 1972, with the release of the Magnavox Odyssey, until 1977,[citation needed] when "pong"-style console manufacturers left the market en masse due to the video game crash of 1977 and whenmicroprocessor-based consoles were introduced.[1]

 

One once again as I said before, if that is the case then why is the 360 elite not in a generation of its own?



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Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:

Take a step back and use common sense before talking with me.

Not my definition.  Look it up. And this isn't something that I go by, but the indsutry as a whole.  If you want to change it then dont look at it that way but it will still stay that way.

 

com·mon sense  

 

Noun
Good sense and sound judgment in practical matters

I'm not sure what the above has to do with technical and corporate matters. 

There is no definition. As I showed in my thread, the industry is quite clearly split on where the Wii U stands. For such a concrete definition, there sure is a lot of debate going on. 


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/next-generation

Once again there is your definition.  You are over thinking the situation which is why i said use common sense.  

The first generation of video game consoles lasted from 1972, with the release of the Magnavox Odyssey, until 1977,[citation needed] when "pong"-style console manufacturers left the market en masse due to the video game crash of 1977 and whenmicroprocessor-based consoles were introduced.[1]

 

One once again as I said before, if that is the case then why is the 360 elite not in a generation of its own?

Do i really need to explain that to you?  It is a modification to current hardware, not a step up or means to move forward with new technology.




       

People were confused about this?



JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

One once again as I said before, if that is the case then why is the 360 elite not in a generation of its own?

Do i really need to explain that to you?  It is a modification to current hardware, not a step up or means to move forward with new technology.

So you are then looking at hardware which then means that the Wii U may not be next-gen as it could be argued that it is neither a step uo or means to move forward with technology.



Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

One once again as I said before, if that is the case then why is the 360 elite not in a generation of its own?

Do i really need to explain that to you?  It is a modification to current hardware, not a step up or means to move forward with new technology.

So you are then looking at hardware which then means that the Wii U may not be next-gen as it could be argued that it is neither a step uo or means to move forward with technology.

It is a step up from the Wii and that is pretty obvious.  if you argue that then their is no reasoning with you.  Ive already explained all that and I also want to point out that the Wii does not play WiiU games.  Now why is that? 

Anyways i'm sure you will reply with some other reason you have but this is still a never ending whole.  If you want to complain about this then you can try to change the worlds view on this subject.  




       

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JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

One once again as I said before, if that is the case then why is the 360 elite not in a generation of its own?

Do i really need to explain that to you?  It is a modification to current hardware, not a step up or means to move forward with new technology.

So you are then looking at hardware which then means that the Wii U may not be next-gen as it could be argued that it is neither a step uo or means to move forward with technology.

It is a step up from the Wii and that is pretty obvious.  if you argue that then their is no reasoning with you.  Ive already explained all that and I also want to point out that the Wii does not play WiiU games.  Now why is that? 

Anyways i'm sure you will reply with some other reason you have but this is still a never ending whole.  If you want to complain about this then you can try to change the worlds view on this subject.  

From the Wii, yes, but not compared to the PS3 or 360, therefore it's 7th gen, no?

If you don't compare all existing consoles to one another in terms of hardware, then how can you classify consoles which are not successors e.g. Xbox, Playstation etc?



Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:
JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

One once again as I said before, if that is the case then why is the 360 elite not in a generation of its own?

Do i really need to explain that to you?  It is a modification to current hardware, not a step up or means to move forward with new technology.

So you are then looking at hardware which then means that the Wii U may not be next-gen as it could be argued that it is neither a step uo or means to move forward with technology.

It is a step up from the Wii and that is pretty obvious.  if you argue that then their is no reasoning with you.  Ive already explained all that and I also want to point out that the Wii does not play WiiU games.  Now why is that? 

Anyways i'm sure you will reply with some other reason you have but this is still a never ending whole.  If you want to complain about this then you can try to change the worlds view on this subject.  

From the Wii, yes, but not compared to the PS3 or 360, therefore it's 7th gen, no?

If you don't compare all existing consoles to one another in terms of hardware, then how can you classify consoles which are not successors e.g. Xbox, Playstation etc?

No, the wii's competion was the X360 and PS3.  Something that is explained in the OP.  WiiU's competion will be the PS4 and the NeXbox.  hence 8th generation.  what is so hard to understand about all this?




       

@Mazty

Actually the Wii serviced three gaming audiences in the form of the Hardcore, the Core, and the Casual. While that consoles demographic may be skewed toward the last group. That doesn't mean it wasn't servicing the very same market that the others were servicing. It was just servicing a expanded market. Actually given the fact that Microsoft and Sony also invested in Casual interfaces later it could be argued that the 360 and the PS3 actually belonged in the previous console generation.

Nintendo placing their primary focus on interface isn't anything new, and like it or not that is part of the equation. Controllers are part of technological iterations just as much as raw processing power. Since the Wii U is a fairly dramatic departure from what came before is proof beyond a doubt that it is part of a new generation of gaming consoles. You don't have to like what Nintendo did, or how Nintendo does things to acknowledge that their console is contention, and respect their audience.

Nintendo at least probably feels it has radically improved its technology. I don't necessarily agree that it is the right choice for them, but they have served up some serious humble pie in the past. They put all of their money into that controller, and I suppose time will tell if that is what the market will find most important.



__XBrawlX__ said:
This is true, and it was the same thing when the Wii launched. Nintendo could release something that was only marginally more powerful than the Wii, and if they intended to go head to head with the next Xbox and Play Station, it would still be next gen. It's their offering to the next generation of consoles. It doesn't matter how damned powerful the console is. What if the Nextbox is 2x as powerful as the WiiU, and the PS4 is 2x as powerful as the Nextbox. Are they all in 3 different generations? Then how do we categorize them?

In short: A console's generation is determined solely on which consoles it is in primary competition with.
Gen3: NES, Master System, Atari 7800
Gen4: SNES, Genesis
Gen5: N64, Saturn, PS1
Gen6: GCN, Xbox, PS2
Gen7: Wii, X360, PS3
Gen8: WiiU, X720, PS4

The primary competition of the Wii U is the PS3, Xbox 360 and even the Wii. And Wii U is doing pretty bad. I doubt the Wii U will last longer than two years once new consoles from Microsoft and Sony arrive. (no bash intended) So it's really kind of an 7.5-ish console. It is in direct competition with the last generation AND the new generation. 

Thar said, it's purely up to interpretation what is Next-Gen and what is not. It becomes more complicated if you look at other markets. What about smartphones for example? Are 99 $ Smartphones with Single Core CPUs Next Generation just because they release in 2013 and are a successor to some other phone? Doubt it. 



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JayWood2010 said:
Mazty said:

From the Wii, yes, but not compared to the PS3 or 360, therefore it's 7th gen, no?

If you don't compare all existing consoles to one another in terms of hardware, then how can you classify consoles which are not successors e.g. Xbox, Playstation etc?

No, the wii's competion was the X360 and PS3.  Something that is explained in the OP.  WiiU's competion will be the PS4 and the NeXbox.  hence 8th generation.  what is so hard to understand about all this?

Making an unsubstantiated claim doesn't give it truth.

The Wii was marketed at a different audience than the PS3 and 360 because the games were a) completely different and b) no multiplatform titles.

You are now just saying that a Ferrari and Dodge Ram are gunning for the same audience because they are both motor vehicles.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games