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WiiU - Lots of new Info - Same poor result. Why Nintendo Direct just confirms my fears.

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ps3-sales! said:

What. I am saving this forever. Best gif ever.



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cusman said:

If you were paying attention to the Nintendo Direct then you are not the New "Casual" Audience.

The "casuals" get focus from Nintendo at Mall events and E3 and via Mass Media outlets

Also, Nintendo Land is the best game for families (casuals) created to date.

Wii Sports was a much much bigger hit with casuals than Nintendoland. Wii Sports was everywhere on tv shows and people that never touched video games were playing it. Nintendoland is nowhere to be seen outside of Nintendo ads. Motion controls are just way more intuitive and easy to get into for non gamers, Wii U pad doesn't have that same effect. 



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Ckmlb1 said:
Pretty much sums up all the new announced games. None of them are going to be big with the Wii casuals except Mario Kart which can only sell as well as the system's user base allows and like the OP said the games shown are very good news for the Nintendo faithful.

Well, Wii U Party is for the casuals too. Really they did a good job of appealing to both bases. You got Wii U Party, Wii U Fit, Mario Kart for casuals (and hard-core Nintendo fans like Mario Kart too... everyone basically likes Mario Kart) and Zelda(s), Smash, 3D Mario, X, FEXSTM, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3 for hard-core. Yoshi probably fits into both camps too.

This was very "something-for-everyone", and was really well done.



Ckmlb1 said:
cusman said:

If you were paying attention to the Nintendo Direct then you are not the New "Casual" Audience.

The "casuals" get focus from Nintendo at Mall events and E3 and via Mass Media outlets

Also, Nintendo Land is the best game for families (casuals) created to date.

Wii Sports was a much much bigger hit with casuals than Nintendoland. Wii Sports was everywhere on tv shows and people that never touched video games were playing it. Nintendoland is nowhere to be seen outside of Nintendo ads. Motion controls are just way more intuitive and easy to get into for non gamers, Wii U pad doesn't have that same effect. 

So? Nintendo Land can sell half as much as Wii Sports did and still be a wild success. 



"Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system."


Err what?







The isn't a current gen game on PS3 or 360 in the same ball park as this with this sheer scale.



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Gamerace said:

We all know Nintendo home console business had been in a state of continual decline since the NES right through to Gamecube.

Nintendo realized they couldn't win a straight on battle with MS/Sony for the core gamer, so they did something remarkable.  They decided to create a whole new audience.  Their 'blue ocean strategy'.    To this end they embraced the wiimote - a controller that did away with the monstrousity of buttons and sticks of the dual analog controller, that most common everyday people wouldn't touch and replaced them with simple intuitive motions.    They devised games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Wii Music - themes that everyone could immediately understand and enjoy.  And excepting Wii Music, but including Mario Kart Wii this drove sales to all new audiences.   Vast amounts of women, girls, 'lapsed gamers' (like myself), non-gamers and even retired folks played, loved and purchased Wiis.

But dispite the success of the blue ocean strategy, after 2010 Nintendo abandoned it to instead release only classic fare - mostly 2D platformers and games that did little to nothing to push the gaming envelope or even provide their new audience with anything to play except for lacklasture fare like Wii Party and Wii Motion Play.

Meanwhile MS and Apple were stealing thier audience with Kinect (which has now outsold GC in half the time) and ipads/iphones.

WiiU was Nintendo's opportunity to reclaim their new audience and dominance.  But instead of following the path of simplicity, accessibilty and fun that made Wii, Kinect, and iphones/iPads so successful, they went right back to the monstrousity of the dual analog controller now with added touch screen and motion and need for wiimotes still, and optional pro controller to create the most convoluted mess of a controller ever.  There's simply no initial enticement for anyone to want to use this.   People will either stick with their Wiis, tablets or their PS3/360s.

In the end it's all about the games.  Wii Sports is what sold the idea of motion controllers.  So despite Wii being about as powerful as a previous gen Xbox, everyone still wanted one, because it could do something the other HD systems couldn't.   At least, up until 2010 when it stopped being unique.

Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system.  So once again Nintendo needs to provide a unique experience, that's fun, accessible and appealing to all.  Else, there's simply no reason to leave Wii/360+Kinect or PS3+Move or tablets with their simple, fun and often free games.

So today Nintendo did something daring and surprisingly out of character and spilled the beans on all their upcoming games.  Nintendo fans rejoice!!  More Zelda! More 3D Mario. More Mario Kart.  More Fire Emblem. More Yoshi. More Xenoblade (maybe) and even a HD Wind Waker.  Okay great news.  If you're a Nintendo fan.   If not... There's nothing here.   WiiU Party and a bit of new info on WiiU Fit is the only casual fare they gave and neither one of those is going to get much more than a passing glance from the casual crowd Nintendo won over with Wii.    On the flip-side, if your a core gamer but not into Nintendo franchises there's still nothing here.

WiiU is a direct return to Gamecube status - catering to the Nintendo faithful with only paltry attempts to win over core/casuals.   Now moreso than ever before, I expect WiiU to emulate Gamecube in sales.   The market has grown and WiiU will get some leftover Wii love so I've no doubt WiiU will outsell GC but by returning to a red ocean strategy with aging IPs and no innovation (touch screens are not innovative in 2012) Nintendo is guaranteeing themselves a third place finish this gen.  

I wonder if (1) this was written by someone who used to priase Nintendo but now burries them or (2) someone who has actually played with WiU.

Personally, I think of it as the first true gaming tablet.

I do wish they had announced Earthbound 2 Festival for NA today, however.

If you aren't happy with Nintendo, go play another system. Just don't tell me that I should not be happy because I like what I am hearing and having fun.

Mike from Morgantown



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

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indeed:the same poor result.

no new ip's,no old forgooten ip's(except yoshi),a simple HD port(of the ugliest zelda game)

After several years I'm a little bit bored.Played 2d and 3d mario recently,same with mario kart and also played a zelda remake(Oot)
At first I was pleased with the line up but I soon i realized:no wave race,no f zero,no starfox,no 3d donkey kong etc=
the same old recycled games again and again.
(I'm pretty sure mario cart will use many old tracks)


but i don't think you are right with kinect.kinect could never compete with nintendo in casual gaming-the software sales are bad (in europe really bad)and without huge and expensive merchandising 0 chance to succeed
No system selling game,nothing that really attracts people and it works horrible.
Nintendo will remain king of the casual gaming just as they will stay king of low 3rd party support and king of "more of the same"

Wyrdness said:

"Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system."


Err what?
...

The isn't a current gen game on PS3 or 360 in the same ball park as this with this sheer scale.

it's certainly no graphical slouch, but it doesn't distinquish itself much  from GoW ascension, GTA5, Halo 4 and other late last gen offerings.



Probably because Nintendo does not care about your fears.