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As some have mentioned before, but don't Facebook and MS already have a thing with Bing? And, one must have assumed that since Google has + well, Facebook would like to push the competitor.

Then again, does this really affect people?



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I think thats good news for google.



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BasilZero said:
Why would anyone use Bing let alone any search engine on Facebook?

This. Search results on FBK are already messed enough before you filter them by category, and the search with parameters (like location, school, etc) almost never work, and even filtering results are often meh and FBK insists on adding to them suggested results that it thinks are relevant, but they almost never are. Heck, I got most latin dance teachers and hall owners of my town amongs my FBK friends, yet FBK keeps on missing most events, it not only don't notify me, but it can't find them with the search, either, I must look for them in the organizers' personal pages.

Sigh, I so miss Altavista's and DejaNews powerful (before they were dumbed down) advanced search...



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Speaking honestly both Bing and Google aren't particularly impressive, and neither is better then the other. They are fairly generic as far as their capabilities are concerned. You will almost always get the same results from both, and it is always in the blink of an eye. Which is how Google became so popular to begin with. It wasn't something bizarre it just used to get the results to you faster then older search engines. Which isn't the problem anymore. Most search engines are damned near instant.

Google isn't preferred, because it is superior. It just became a habit. As someone who tries to get the most out of search engines, because I often end up searching for pretty obscure things. I have found that Yahoo is actually the best. The home site has a lot more services, and the search engine has more advanced options. For fine tuning searches. That isn't to say that it is the only search engine I use.

I will change between Bing, Google, and Yahoo to get different results, but I will also hit Lycos or Ask if the going gets tough. Now those engines are more old school. They don't want to give you the most popular results. They look for whatever is actually the best match. Sometimes that is good, and sometimes it takes you someplace scarey.

Anyway it all seems like a pointless argument. How the hell could anyone become dependent on these engines. When they are likely ninety nine percent the same. As far as most users are concerned.



zero129 said:
disolitude said:
VGKing said:
zero129 said:
VGKing said:
I don't see how this is good news unless you area MSFT fan or investor....the majority of people use google and that is a fact. So in the end this is a loss for consumers.

(I'm assuming Google+ is the reason the decided to go with Bing?)

Please explain how?, i also use google but this wont effect me in anyway as google is just a search engine for me at the end of the day.

If google falls i will use whatever the next search engine is, no effect on me once so ever, unless your invested in google somehow??.

Google is most peoples search engine of choice. Being forced to use Bing through Facebook isn't a good thing if you are used to Google and if you think it yields better search results. It's just a choice of preference, something Facebook should give its users. Let them use whichever search engine they want.


This isnt some Bing powered search bar on Facebook...understand what this does before you start crying foul how you cant use google. A lot of cutom work went in to this. Also go read the stories on engadget about this and you will see that facebook would love to work with google but they are not too cooperative. Microsoft was more willing to work with facebook on this project. The End.

Pretty much what i was going to say.

VGKing makes it sound like he is going to be using facebook to do his internet searches..

Like i said unless his invested in google somehow i dont see why he finds anything wrong with this but he seems to think this is only good for MSfans or Ms investers (Both true in a sense). But unless he is a google invester this shouldnt effect him in anyway.

Why do i have a feeling he wouldnt be complaining if this was Sony who got this deal :-/


Because you're right that he wouldn't complain if it was a pro Sony article.



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BasilZero said:
Why would anyone use Bing let alone any search engine on Facebook?

Milions of people will...

Bing is a Great Search Engine but it stills lagging way behind in some countries where is still in beta.

Facebook has more people going everyday than Google, i saw that on Gaf.

Facebook Engine will be massive, 1b possible customers and still growing.



Dodece said:
Speaking honestly both Bing and Google aren't particularly impressive, and neither is better then the other. They are fairly generic as far as their capabilities are concerned. You will almost always get the same results from both, and it is always in the blink of an eye. Which is how Google became so popular to begin with. It wasn't something bizarre it just used to get the results to you faster then older search engines. Which isn't the problem anymore. Most search engines are damned near instant.

Google isn't preferred, because it is superior. It just became a habit. As someone who tries to get the most out of search engines, because I often end up searching for pretty obscure things. I have found that Yahoo is actually the best. The home site has a lot more services, and the search engine has more advanced options. For fine tuning searches. That isn't to say that it is the only search engine I use.

I will change between Bing, Google, and Yahoo to get different results, but I will also hit Lycos or Ask if the going gets tough. Now those engines are more old school. They don't want to give you the most popular results. They look for whatever is actually the best match. Sometimes that is good, and sometimes it takes you someplace scarey.

Anyway it all seems like a pointless argument. How the hell could anyone become dependent on these engines. When they are likely ninety nine percent the same. As far as most users are concerned.


Great post. I just wanted to point out that Yahoo and Bing do use the same search algorithms and are both powered by Bing. Other than advertising which tends to be more prominent on Yahoo, I have found that both usually produce identical results. Yahoo as a portal though tends to be easier on the eyes...

I myself have started using duckduckgo lately and am quite impressed. I work in online advertising and use Google Adwords all the time and know how much data mining Google (and Bing) collect on a user... So I really appreciate the no tracking policy. Searches are also very good. 

https://duckduckgo.com/about



Dodece said:
Speaking honestly both Bing and Google aren't particularly impressive, and neither is better then the other. They are fairly generic as far as their capabilities are concerned. You will almost always get the same results from both, and it is always in the blink of an eye. Which is how Google became so popular to begin with. It wasn't something bizarre it just used to get the results to you faster then older search engines. Which isn't the problem anymore. Most search engines are damned near instant.

Google isn't preferred, because it is superior. It just became a habit. As someone who tries to get the most out of search engines, because I often end up searching for pretty obscure things. I have found that Yahoo is actually the best. The home site has a lot more services, and the search engine has more advanced options. For fine tuning searches. That isn't to say that it is the only search engine I use.

I will change between Bing, Google, and Yahoo to get different results, but I will also hit Lycos or Ask if the going gets tough. Now those engines are more old school. They don't want to give you the most popular results. They look for whatever is actually the best match. Sometimes that is good, and sometimes it takes you someplace scarey.

Anyway it all seems like a pointless argument. How the hell could anyone become dependent on these engines. When they are likely ninety nine percent the same. As far as most users are concerned.

@ bolded, I am 100% guilty of this.

 

Also, the rest of this post makes me realize that I too should be using multiple search engines because there are times when I'm pretty disappointed with the results. Hey would you mind giving me some more details on when you use who and why. I mean you don't have to reveal anything uncomfortable (like who to use to find out how to best jerk-off a dog) and you can send me a PM if you'd like. Your post just made me realize how much of a noob I've been for so long, thanks.



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disolitude said:
Dodece said:
Speaking honestly both Bing and Google aren't particularly impressive, and neither is better then the other. They are fairly generic as far as their capabilities are concerned. You will almost always get the same results from both, and it is always in the blink of an eye. Which is how Google became so popular to begin with. It wasn't something bizarre it just used to get the results to you faster then older search engines. Which isn't the problem anymore. Most search engines are damned near instant.

Google isn't preferred, because it is superior. It just became a habit. As someone who tries to get the most out of search engines, because I often end up searching for pretty obscure things. I have found that Yahoo is actually the best. The home site has a lot more services, and the search engine has more advanced options. For fine tuning searches. That isn't to say that it is the only search engine I use.

I will change between Bing, Google, and Yahoo to get different results, but I will also hit Lycos or Ask if the going gets tough. Now those engines are more old school. They don't want to give you the most popular results. They look for whatever is actually the best match. Sometimes that is good, and sometimes it takes you someplace scarey.

Anyway it all seems like a pointless argument. How the hell could anyone become dependent on these engines. When they are likely ninety nine percent the same. As far as most users are concerned.


Great post. I just wanted to point out that Yahoo and Bing do use the same search algorithms and are both powered by Bing. Other than advertising which tends to be more prominent on Yahoo, I have found that both usually produce identical results. Yahoo as a portal though tends to be easier on the eyes...

I myself have started using duckduckgo lately and am quite impressed. I work in online advertising and use Google Adwords all the time and know how much data mining Google (and Bing) collect on a user... So I really appreciate the no tracking policy. Searches are also very good. 

https://duckduckgo.com/about


Disolitude, thanks for sharing as well. I don't me to on your nuts but I usually pay attention to what you say along with only a couple of other people on here.



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maximrace said:

Facebook's "one more thing" at today's Graph Search press conference? A search partnership with Bing. Naturally, Google was the elephant in the room after such an announcement, particularly in light of the fact that Lars Rasmussen has strong ties to the company by way of his connection to Maps and Wave. Asked why he opted not to take his business to Mountain View, Zuck told the crowd,

The main thing is that when people share something on Facebook, we want to give them the ability to broadcast things, but also retract them later, and have them be removed immediately. Microsoft was more willing to do things specific to Facebook.

We've reached out to Google to get its side of the story. We'll let you know what we hear.

 

Source: 

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/15/zuckerberg-microsoft-more-willing-to-work-with-us-still-open-t/

 

Well done msft!

Well done MSFT??

WTF? 

The MSFT love has gone over the top, lacking reason to find great things to brag about. 

Look, its not like Facebook is going to use google as they are a major competitor, or even second rate search engines like yahoo or whatever. 

It's not going to help msft in the long run at all, according to ycharts Microsoft averaged 5.5% growth year over year for the last five years, while google has averaged 25% .   And MSFT isn't that much bigger at all, for those saying that MSFT is so large that it deserves to be considered a more mature company.  It's not just google, apple is growing a lot faster than MSFT as well, and will up its game as its size gets even bigger.

Expect more mediocrity from this company and if you are an investor with anything but something like a tech fund or an index fund that will just include MSFT as part of a bundle of other stocks, then expect a poor return.