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sc94597 said:
One thing that must be understood is that it is debatable whether or not Obama is "African-American." Historically, this was an ethnic description, not a racial one. Since Obama is not the descendant of slaves from West African countries, nor does he have West-African ancestry - there are a few African-Americans who designate him as part of their racial group (which even that should be wrong considering his mixture), but that's all, not any more of their ethnicity as a White-Americans are, in some ways less, considering the Anglo ancestry African-Americans share. So any culture Obama has, is not derived from African-Americans, but from his mothers family - who are German-Americans. However; that does not mean African-Americans can't have such values, but that these values are not a matter of divergent evolution but convergence.

As for crime:

It is clear that African-Americans have a higher rate crime rate per capita. However; one must consider the predisposition. There are two African-American populations: those who live in inner-cities with huge problems caused by the War on Drugs and a multitude of other criminal factors and those who live in the high crime rate rural areas with the worst poverty levels in the country (in the deep south.) Having become accustomed to these life styles, crime is somewhat of a culture, if you will. It is a means of survival, but one that is deeply rooted in the population that it is hard to be rid of: hence crime influences rap/hip-hop and not vice-verse.

Because of this, you'll find that the overwhelming majority of African-Americans are not criminals, but they are more likely to be predisposed to factors which encourage criminal activity. Being poor is not the only problem at the moment, but it's one major one. The culture of gangs and the disregard for the law (due to past wrongdoings) is alluring to many youth who are very segmented in the innercity regions. As for the poor, rural regions of the south: crime is rampant among all races in these areas.

So what is the solution: well there isn't one solution. What is required is a cultural reform in which gangs have less influence over youth, and education is valued. Throwing money at the problem won't work, but utilizing that money efficiently to hit the origin of such cultural factors enables those who are predisposed to have more freedom in deciding how they want to live their lives. In the United States though, crime has been vastly decreasing over the last two decades, among all races. This is likely due to a few causes, but overall we're heading toward the right path. Even with the 2008 recession and our weak recovery, high unemployment, etc,etc crime has still been decreasing. So it's certainly not as simple as one being poor.


Can you please link me to a reliable source that proves that crime rates have been decreasing since 2008?  This info is important to me. Thank you.



Valdney said:

Can you please link me to a reliable source that proves that crime rates have been decreasing since 2008?  This info is important to me. Thank you.

This article in wiki has some data and links - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Apparently homicide rates per capita are back down to 60's levels, however looking at the discrepancy relating to violent crimes as a whole, I wonder if that's because a lot of what was going to be considered murder or manslaughter end up as "undisclosed". It's reasonable to argue we are much less likely to condemn someone for homicide without proper proof than 50 years ago. Still there is a downwards trend running in the last two decades.

Edit: but instead of being mostly because of social measures like I suspected, the artile mentions the increase in the number of cops, aging demographics and expanded prision populations. Oh well.