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TruckOSaurus on 10 January 2013

Let's get things straight (...see what I did there) :

If you're a guy who's sexually attracted to girls you're straight whether you act on it or not.
If you're a guy who's sexually attracted to guys you're gay whether you act on it or not.
If you're a guy who's sexually attracted to both girls and guys you're bi whether you act on it or not.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 10 January 2013
slowmo said:
1. Yes
2. Yes

I choose to be straight, because I love women partners. Most gay men I know tend to be quiet selfish which is a big turn off. Any man can become aroused by watching gay porn if they were to ease up on the emotional barriers they've erected (excuse the pun). Getting rid of a erection must surely be a skill all men possess???

 

"2. Whenever you see a hot chick and your penis becomes erect, are you actually able to choose to stop being sexually attracted to her and "deactivate" the boner, but choose not to?"


The underlined part is what "deactivated" the boner though. Is your answer to the second question still "yes"?



JoeTheBro on 10 January 2013
Andrespetmonkey said:
JoeTheBro said:
1 No
2 No

I think we are naturally straight yet manipulated to be gay through early life. See it's kinda like drinking. A kid drinks alchohol and thinks "what the fuck is this shit, why the hell do you drink such trash?" It's only as we learn from society that liquer is good do people actually enjoy drinking it. This sounds weirder than I expected.

What about gay people who've grown up in incredibly homophoabic and hostile environments? There's no way they could be "manipulated" into being gay after having the sinfulness and shame and disgust of homosexuality shoved down their throats for years as a child.


Same thing as atheists emerging from extremely religious environments or the opposite with theists emerging from extremely atheist societies.



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TruckOSaurus on 10 January 2013
JoeTheBro said:


Same thing as atheists emerging from extremely religious environments or the opposite with theists emerging from extremely atheist societies.

I didn't know any gay man growing up. Where did I pick it up?



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kitler53 on 10 January 2013

never understood this whole "choice" conversation in relationship to homosexuality.

some people are overweight because they were born with a thyroid condition. some people are overweight because they choose to eat fattening food. both groups deserve to be treated with respect.



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slowmo on 10 January 2013
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
slowmo said:
1. Yes
2. Yes

I choose to be straight, because I love women partners. Most gay men I know tend to be quiet selfish which is a big turn off. Any man can become aroused by watching gay porn if they were to ease up on the emotional barriers they've erected (excuse the pun). Getting rid of a erection must surely be a skill all men possess???

 

"2. Whenever you see a hot chick and your penis becomes erect, are you actually able to choose to stop being sexually attracted to her and "deactivate" the boner, but choose not to?"


The underlined part is what "deactivated" the boner though. Is your answer to the second question still "yes"?


I can see a woman as being more than just a sexual object at will yes, its pretty easy to be honest



JoeTheBro on 10 January 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
JoeTheBro said:


Same thing as atheists emerging from extremely religious environments or the opposite with theists emerging from extremely atheist societies.

I didn't know any gay man growing up. Where did I pick it up?


I wouldn't know. It's more complex usually than being "converted" by other gay men. Otherwise you would still like girls and be bisexual.



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TruckOSaurus on 10 January 2013
JoeTheBro said:
TruckOSaurus said:
JoeTheBro said:


Same thing as atheists emerging from extremely religious environments or the opposite with theists emerging from extremely atheist societies.

I didn't know any gay man growing up. Where did I pick it up?


I wouldn't know. It's more complex usually than being "converted" by other gay men. Otherwise you would still like girls and be bisexual.

I've never been attracted to girls. Sure I find some of them pretty but I've never been interested in any of them as girlfriends or sexual partners. The earliest I can remember being attracted to a guy was in fifth grade where there was a guy in my class I had an urge to kiss (I never did of course).

Also, how is it a choice when you say it comes from complex reasons that you can't identify? The only part where choice is involved is whether you act of it or not. The attraction itself is not chosen.



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fordy on 10 January 2013
HappySqurriel said:
fordy said:
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fordy said:

Way to miss the point...

How is the birth relevant to the household a child grows up in?

I think you missed the point ...

If marriage is about providing the best outcomes for children doesn't it have to be proven that gay couples can provide similar or better outcomes for children before you claim that they can be married?

 

So much wrong with that question...

When did marriage become about providing the best outcomes for children?

If every degree of equal rights requires a study, I take it you have relevant studies that showed blacks were equal to whites or women were equal to men before THEY were given equal rights?

Tens of thousands of years ago and remained that way up until around 100 years ago where it has slowly been eroded away by a combination of mass media romanticism and progressive policies ...

 

Now, here is the problem, I don't see how claiming a relationship that fails to meet the definition of being married actually denies people of rights. As long as the criteria is meaningful andarbitrary there is no discrimination. "Can Procreate" is a pretty meaningful criteria that is not arbitrary given tens of thousands of years of being the primary goal of marriage.

 

Here is another way to look at it, if marriage is just an arbitrary celebration of love why is polygamy illegal?


Except that was never what it was for. The idea of marriage was a binding arrangement (or contract) that people used to trade certain assets, those  mainly being daughters. I love how the zealots rearrange history to suit their agenda. Then again, if you spent centuries persecuting people who believed the Earth wasn't flat, what else can you do?

You're on a slippery slope there. Many would say "Yes. WHY is Polyhgamy illegal. Can YOU give a good reason why more than two consenting adults cannot marry?"



JoeTheBro on 10 January 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
JoeTheBro said:
TruckOSaurus said:
JoeTheBro said:


Same thing as atheists emerging from extremely religious environments or the opposite with theists emerging from extremely atheist societies.

I didn't know any gay man growing up. Where did I pick it up?


I wouldn't know. It's more complex usually than being "converted" by other gay men. Otherwise you would still like girls and be bisexual.

I've never been attracted to girls. Sure I find some of them pretty but I've never been interested in any of them as girlfriends or sexual partners. The earliest I can remember being attracted to a guy was in fifth grade where there was a guy in my class I had an urge to kiss (I never did of course).

Also, how is it a choice when you say it comes from complex reasons that you can't identify? The only part where choice is involved is whether you act of it or not. The attraction itself is not chosen.

I don't think it's a traditional choice but I also don't think it's like being born short or tall. Sorry if you thought that I thought that it's a choice similar to acting on an urge or not.



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