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think-man on 31 December 2012

No doubt.



 

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Squilliam on 31 December 2012

It wouldn't have increased the supply so no it wouldn't have mattered.



Tease.

sunK1D on 31 December 2012
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
YukanaSenix said:
Yeah with ease
Even with the high price Tag - But well 1 year late,far to expensive and having a bad start cause developers are unloyal,getting hacked by some Sony haters and still finishing 2nd is a nice demonstration how far superior Sony is.
Just don't make the same mistakes with the next console and we are back were the world should be.

I've made this point 1,000 times and people just don't like to acknowledge it.  If MS makes any one of those mistakes they're out of the equation entirely (like Xbox made 2 of them).  I mean by the time this gen is done (aka when all 3 cease production on current gen) Sony could end up being the first company to lead the industry with the most expensive console throughout the gen.

Sony lost siginificant brand preference with the PS3. The PS4 can be a much better product than the PS3 ever was but it simply won't be able to count with "blind" adoption that the PS3 enjoyed. At the end of the day, the Playstation brand went from being the prefered gaming machine before the PS3 was even launched to having to prove themselves with the PS4 launch.

This is "the end of the world" from a marketing perspective, made worst by the fact that Sony themselves put them into this situation. Microsoft only capitalized on it.

but PS3 is doing very well now.  I don't think a 3rd place console has ever done so well this late in a gen.  I think people recognize that they have the best exclusives and free online makes up for initial cost eventually.  People don't realize how huge a $200 difference is.  It wasn't $50 like now, and PS3 launched against Wii which was under half as expensive and stole the launch thunder.  People like to point to Vita but home console is where Playstation is king and portables have never been their dominant market.  They may never regain the dominance they had during PS2 but they are still the most powerful name in home consoles.  Yes they're third this gen but they'll end up selling around 100m making every blunder possible.

The PS3 has sold half of what the PS2 sold. No one in their right mind at the time(around PS3 launch) would tell you that the PS3 wasn't gonna lead next gen, it was just unthinkable that Sony would drop as much as they did.

Exclusives are good only during a consoles initial years, as MS has proven. They look at Sony releasing exclusive after exclusive and yet failing to make a meaningful difference in sales compared to the X360. Microsoft must be asking, does Sony just not understand the market or what? In this day and age of CoD, exclusives take the back sit. Whoever can offer the best experience overall wins and while XBL is $50/y, people seem to have no problem paying up whereas how many times i hear people complaining about PS+ because they don't like the games and etc. IT'S "FREE" for FFS..

you been living under a rock or sumat? its those exlusives that closed the gap down from 10 million! if microsoft made some effort in that department maybe they'd be 20 million ahead now, instead a ps3 takeover is imminent. you quite obviously have no idea what your talking about.


What closed the gap was Japan. The general population in NA is more inclined to buy a X360 over a PS3 regardless of how many more exclusives the PS3 has. Just as the Japanese was more inclined to buy PS3s regardless of how many more exclusives the X360 had at the time. (Lost oddyssey, Star Ocean 4, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Magna Carta 2, Eternal Sonata and so on..) But whereas people here will still go out and support Sony, Japan straight out denied Microsoft( and it wasn't for lack of exclusives either cause MS had them in Japan for the longest time.)



platformmaster918 on 31 December 2012
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
YukanaSenix said:
Yeah with ease
Even with the high price Tag - But well 1 year late,far to expensive and having a bad start cause developers are unloyal,getting hacked by some Sony haters and still finishing 2nd is a nice demonstration how far superior Sony is.
Just don't make the same mistakes with the next console and we are back were the world should be.

I've made this point 1,000 times and people just don't like to acknowledge it.  If MS makes any one of those mistakes they're out of the equation entirely (like Xbox made 2 of them).  I mean by the time this gen is done (aka when all 3 cease production on current gen) Sony could end up being the first company to lead the industry with the most expensive console throughout the gen.

Sony lost siginificant brand preference with the PS3. The PS4 can be a much better product than the PS3 ever was but it simply won't be able to count with "blind" adoption that the PS3 enjoyed. At the end of the day, the Playstation brand went from being the prefered gaming machine before the PS3 was even launched to having to prove themselves with the PS4 launch.

This is "the end of the world" from a marketing perspective, made worst by the fact that Sony themselves put them into this situation. Microsoft only capitalized on it.

but PS3 is doing very well now.  I don't think a 3rd place console has ever done so well this late in a gen.  I think people recognize that they have the best exclusives and free online makes up for initial cost eventually.  People don't realize how huge a $200 difference is.  It wasn't $50 like now, and PS3 launched against Wii which was under half as expensive and stole the launch thunder.  People like to point to Vita but home console is where Playstation is king and portables have never been their dominant market.  They may never regain the dominance they had during PS2 but they are still the most powerful name in home consoles.  Yes they're third this gen but they'll end up selling around 100m making every blunder possible.

The PS3 has sold half of what the PS2 sold. No one in their right mind at the time(around PS3 launch) would tell you that the PS3 wasn't gonna lead next gen, it was just unthinkable that Sony would drop as much as they did.

Exclusives are good only during a consoles initial years, as MS has proven. They look at Sony releasing exclusive after exclusive and yet failing to make a meaningful difference in sales compared to the X360. Microsoft must be asking, does Sony just not understand the market or what? In this day and age of CoD, exclusives take the back sit. Whoever can offer the best experience overall wins and while XBL is $50/y, people seem to have no problem paying up whereas how many times i hear people complaining about PS+ because they don't like the games and etc. IT'S "FREE" for FFS..

but why would PS3 be selling more at all now?  They are still the most expensive.  The only reasons I can think of is A.) people are seeing the exclusives  B.) People are seeing online plays basically the same minus cross game chat (which is weird for me anyway as I would only want to talk with people I'm playing with) for $50 less and you can use all your apps without paying.




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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 31 December 2012
sunK1D said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
YukanaSenix said:
Yeah with ease
Even with the high price Tag - But well 1 year late,far to expensive and having a bad start cause developers are unloyal,getting hacked by some Sony haters and still finishing 2nd is a nice demonstration how far superior Sony is.
Just don't make the same mistakes with the next console and we are back were the world should be.

I've made this point 1,000 times and people just don't like to acknowledge it.  If MS makes any one of those mistakes they're out of the equation entirely (like Xbox made 2 of them).  I mean by the time this gen is done (aka when all 3 cease production on current gen) Sony could end up being the first company to lead the industry with the most expensive console throughout the gen.

Sony lost siginificant brand preference with the PS3. The PS4 can be a much better product than the PS3 ever was but it simply won't be able to count with "blind" adoption that the PS3 enjoyed. At the end of the day, the Playstation brand went from being the prefered gaming machine before the PS3 was even launched to having to prove themselves with the PS4 launch.

This is "the end of the world" from a marketing perspective, made worst by the fact that Sony themselves put them into this situation. Microsoft only capitalized on it.

but PS3 is doing very well now.  I don't think a 3rd place console has ever done so well this late in a gen.  I think people recognize that they have the best exclusives and free online makes up for initial cost eventually.  People don't realize how huge a $200 difference is.  It wasn't $50 like now, and PS3 launched against Wii which was under half as expensive and stole the launch thunder.  People like to point to Vita but home console is where Playstation is king and portables have never been their dominant market.  They may never regain the dominance they had during PS2 but they are still the most powerful name in home consoles.  Yes they're third this gen but they'll end up selling around 100m making every blunder possible.

The PS3 has sold half of what the PS2 sold. No one in their right mind at the time(around PS3 launch) would tell you that the PS3 wasn't gonna lead next gen, it was just unthinkable that Sony would drop as much as they did.

Exclusives are good only during a consoles initial years, as MS has proven. They look at Sony releasing exclusive after exclusive and yet failing to make a meaningful difference in sales compared to the X360. Microsoft must be asking, does Sony just not understand the market or what? In this day and age of CoD, exclusives take the back sit. Whoever can offer the best experience overall wins and while XBL is $50/y, people seem to have no problem paying up whereas how many times i hear people complaining about PS+ because they don't like the games and etc. IT'S "FREE" for FFS..

you been living under a rock or sumat? its those exlusives that closed the gap down from 10 million! if microsoft made some effort in that department maybe they'd be 20 million ahead now, instead a ps3 takeover is imminent. you quite obviously have no idea what your talking about.


What closed the gap was Japan. The general population in NA is more inclined to buy a X360 over a PS3 regardless of how many more exclusives the PS3 has. Just as the Japanese was more inclined to buy PS3s regardless of how many more exclusives the X360 had at the time. (Lost oddyssey, Star Ocean 4, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Magna Carta 2, Eternal Sonata and so on..) But whereas people here will still go out and support Sony, Japan straight out denied Microsoft( and it wasn't for lack of exclusives either cause MS had them in Japan for the longest time.)

face it, its because ps3 is simply more popular around the world. always has been. thats why its sold way more than the 360 since it launched and why microsoft will do everything they can to release before sony again. they know they cant go toe to toe with sony with same release, price etc...



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sunK1D on 31 December 2012

PS3 only sells more outside NA. Japan is the biggest contributor to this(X360 failed there) followed by strong PS2 era brand awareness in some Euro/Latin American/Asian markets. Exclusives help, sure, but you have to ask "how much" they actually help at a consoles mid-to-end life spam. MS is able to achieve similar market results  with barely no exclusives.



GameAnalyser on 31 December 2012
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
YukanaSenix said:
Yeah with ease
Even with the high price Tag - But well 1 year late,far to expensive and having a bad start cause developers are unloyal,getting hacked by some Sony haters and still finishing 2nd is a nice demonstration how far superior Sony is.
Just don't make the same mistakes with the next console and we are back were the world should be.

I've made this point 1,000 times and people just don't like to acknowledge it.  If MS makes any one of those mistakes they're out of the equation entirely (like Xbox made 2 of them).  I mean by the time this gen is done (aka when all 3 cease production on current gen) Sony could end up being the first company to lead the industry with the most expensive console throughout the gen.

Sony lost siginificant brand preference with the PS3. The PS4 can be a much better product than the PS3 ever was but it simply won't be able to count with "blind" adoption that the PS3 enjoyed. At the end of the day, the Playstation brand went from being the prefered gaming machine before the PS3 was even launched to having to prove themselves with the PS4 launch.

This is "the end of the world" from a marketing perspective, made worst by the fact that Sony themselves put them into this situation. Microsoft only capitalized on it.

but PS3 is doing very well now.  I don't think a 3rd place console has ever done so well this late in a gen.  I think people recognize that they have the best exclusives and free online makes up for initial cost eventually.  People don't realize how huge a $200 difference is.  It wasn't $50 like now, and PS3 launched against Wii which was under half as expensive and stole the launch thunder.  People like to point to Vita but home console is where Playstation is king and portables have never been their dominant market.  They may never regain the dominance they had during PS2 but they are still the most powerful name in home consoles.  Yes they're third this gen but they'll end up selling around 100m making every blunder possible.

The PS3 has sold half of what the PS2 sold. No one in their right mind at the time(around PS3 launch) would tell you that the PS3 wasn't gonna lead next gen, it was just unthinkable that Sony would drop as much as they did.

Exclusives are good only during a consoles initial years, as MS has proven. They look at Sony releasing exclusive after exclusive and yet failing to make a meaningful difference in sales compared to the X360. Microsoft must be asking, does Sony just not understand the market or what? In this day and age of CoD, exclusives take the back sit. Whoever can offer the best experience overall wins and while XBL is $50/y, people seem to have no problem paying up whereas how many times i hear people complaining about PS+ because they don't like the games and etc. IT'S "FREE" for FFS..

It's not about the difference in sales that needs to be signified, but the quintessential quality Sony decided to keep up with their release of exclusives. And a reason what helped them to survive this gen despite being 3rd. When you say exclusives that only make sense in it's intial years, I would  rather disagree a lot than approve if you were to relate only to sales. SOTC for PS2 was well received  and so would the upcoming exclusives for PS3 in 2013. Does MS have anything apart from Gears to showcase? It's MS who needs to learn from Sony who has won the market more equally across all regions. XBL being far superior than PS+(not approved by some) can't be bringing the overall best experience.



sunK1D on 31 December 2012
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
sunK1D said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
YukanaSenix said:
Yeah with ease
Even with the high price Tag - But well 1 year late,far to expensive and having a bad start cause developers are unloyal,getting hacked by some Sony haters and still finishing 2nd is a nice demonstration how far superior Sony is.
Just don't make the same mistakes with the next console and we are back were the world should be.

I've made this point 1,000 times and people just don't like to acknowledge it.  If MS makes any one of those mistakes they're out of the equation entirely (like Xbox made 2 of them).  I mean by the time this gen is done (aka when all 3 cease production on current gen) Sony could end up being the first company to lead the industry with the most expensive console throughout the gen.

Sony lost siginificant brand preference with the PS3. The PS4 can be a much better product than the PS3 ever was but it simply won't be able to count with "blind" adoption that the PS3 enjoyed. At the end of the day, the Playstation brand went from being the prefered gaming machine before the PS3 was even launched to having to prove themselves with the PS4 launch.

This is "the end of the world" from a marketing perspective, made worst by the fact that Sony themselves put them into this situation. Microsoft only capitalized on it.

but PS3 is doing very well now.  I don't think a 3rd place console has ever done so well this late in a gen.  I think people recognize that they have the best exclusives and free online makes up for initial cost eventually.  People don't realize how huge a $200 difference is.  It wasn't $50 like now, and PS3 launched against Wii which was under half as expensive and stole the launch thunder.  People like to point to Vita but home console is where Playstation is king and portables have never been their dominant market.  They may never regain the dominance they had during PS2 but they are still the most powerful name in home consoles.  Yes they're third this gen but they'll end up selling around 100m making every blunder possible.

The PS3 has sold half of what the PS2 sold. No one in their right mind at the time(around PS3 launch) would tell you that the PS3 wasn't gonna lead next gen, it was just unthinkable that Sony would drop as much as they did.

Exclusives are good only during a consoles initial years, as MS has proven. They look at Sony releasing exclusive after exclusive and yet failing to make a meaningful difference in sales compared to the X360. Microsoft must be asking, does Sony just not understand the market or what? In this day and age of CoD, exclusives take the back sit. Whoever can offer the best experience overall wins and while XBL is $50/y, people seem to have no problem paying up whereas how many times i hear people complaining about PS+ because they don't like the games and etc. IT'S "FREE" for FFS..

you been living under a rock or sumat? its those exlusives that closed the gap down from 10 million! if microsoft made some effort in that department maybe they'd be 20 million ahead now, instead a ps3 takeover is imminent. you quite obviously have no idea what your talking about.


What closed the gap was Japan. The general population in NA is more inclined to buy a X360 over a PS3 regardless of how many more exclusives the PS3 has. Just as the Japanese was more inclined to buy PS3s regardless of how many more exclusives the X360 had at the time. (Lost oddyssey, Star Ocean 4, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Magna Carta 2, Eternal Sonata and so on..) But whereas people here will still go out and support Sony, Japan straight out denied Microsoft( and it wasn't for lack of exclusives either cause MS had them in Japan for the longest time.)

face it, its because ps3 is simply more popular around the world. always has been. thats why its sold way more than the 360 since it launched and why microsoft will do everything they can to release before sony again. they know they cant go toe to toe with sony with same release, price etc...

Why so defensive?

 

Obviously the PS brand is more recognized around the world, but compared to the PS2 era, Sony lost significant ground. It wouldn't take much for Microsoft to win Europe coming next generation. X720 will mostly likely have a onslaught of exclusives for it's first 2-3 years, if those appeal to Euros they will give in, specially considering Sony's influence has been greatly diminished.



SOLIDSNAKE08 on 31 December 2012
sunK1D said:

PS3 only sells more outside NA. Japan is the biggest contributor to this(X360 failed there) followed by strong PS2 era brand awareness in some Euro/Latin American/Asian markets. Exclusives help, sure, but you have to ask "how much" they actually help at a consoles mid-to-end life spam. MS is able to achieve similar market results  with barely no exclusives.


only? america is just ONE country. how many countries outside america?



SOLIDSNAKE08 on 31 December 2012
sunK1D said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
sunK1D said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
sunK1D said:
platformmaster918 said:
YukanaSenix said:
Yeah with ease
Even with the high price Tag - But well 1 year late,far to expensive and having a bad start cause developers are unloyal,getting hacked by some Sony haters and still finishing 2nd is a nice demonstration how far superior Sony is.
Just don't make the same mistakes with the next console and we are back were the world should be.

I've made this point 1,000 times and people just don't like to acknowledge it.  If MS makes any one of those mistakes they're out of the equation entirely (like Xbox made 2 of them).  I mean by the time this gen is done (aka when all 3 cease production on current gen) Sony could end up being the first company to lead the industry with the most expensive console throughout the gen.

Sony lost siginificant brand preference with the PS3. The PS4 can be a much better product than the PS3 ever was but it simply won't be able to count with "blind" adoption that the PS3 enjoyed. At the end of the day, the Playstation brand went from being the prefered gaming machine before the PS3 was even launched to having to prove themselves with the PS4 launch.

This is "the end of the world" from a marketing perspective, made worst by the fact that Sony themselves put them into this situation. Microsoft only capitalized on it.

but PS3 is doing very well now.  I don't think a 3rd place console has ever done so well this late in a gen.  I think people recognize that they have the best exclusives and free online makes up for initial cost eventually.  People don't realize how huge a $200 difference is.  It wasn't $50 like now, and PS3 launched against Wii which was under half as expensive and stole the launch thunder.  People like to point to Vita but home console is where Playstation is king and portables have never been their dominant market.  They may never regain the dominance they had during PS2 but they are still the most powerful name in home consoles.  Yes they're third this gen but they'll end up selling around 100m making every blunder possible.

The PS3 has sold half of what the PS2 sold. No one in their right mind at the time(around PS3 launch) would tell you that the PS3 wasn't gonna lead next gen, it was just unthinkable that Sony would drop as much as they did.

Exclusives are good only during a consoles initial years, as MS has proven. They look at Sony releasing exclusive after exclusive and yet failing to make a meaningful difference in sales compared to the X360. Microsoft must be asking, does Sony just not understand the market or what? In this day and age of CoD, exclusives take the back sit. Whoever can offer the best experience overall wins and while XBL is $50/y, people seem to have no problem paying up whereas how many times i hear people complaining about PS+ because they don't like the games and etc. IT'S "FREE" for FFS..

you been living under a rock or sumat? its those exlusives that closed the gap down from 10 million! if microsoft made some effort in that department maybe they'd be 20 million ahead now, instead a ps3 takeover is imminent. you quite obviously have no idea what your talking about.


What closed the gap was Japan. The general population in NA is more inclined to buy a X360 over a PS3 regardless of how many more exclusives the PS3 has. Just as the Japanese was more inclined to buy PS3s regardless of how many more exclusives the X360 had at the time. (Lost oddyssey, Star Ocean 4, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Magna Carta 2, Eternal Sonata and so on..) But whereas people here will still go out and support Sony, Japan straight out denied Microsoft( and it wasn't for lack of exclusives either cause MS had them in Japan for the longest time.)

face it, its because ps3 is simply more popular around the world. always has been. thats why its sold way more than the 360 since it launched and why microsoft will do everything they can to release before sony again. they know they cant go toe to toe with sony with same release, price etc...

Why so defensive?

 

Obviously the PS brand is more recognized around the world, but compared to the PS2 era, Sony lost significant ground. It wouldn't take much for Microsoft to win Europe coming next generation. X720 will mostly likely have a onslaught of exclusives for it's first 2-3 years, if those appeal to Euros they will give in, specially considering Sony's influence has been greatly diminished.

not defensive. you just joined the site. im trying to get you up to speed.