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dsgrue3 said:
Nintendo has ostracized itself from the other major players and thus third parties as well. If it wants to compete directly with MS and Sony, it needs to release comparable machinery. It hasn't. Nintendo found gold with the Wii, but I doubt the Wii U will be anything to celebrate.

That's because there isn't a third party out there that hasn't proven that they have anything other than solid bone under their collective scalps.



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dsgrue3 said:
Nintendo has ostracized itself from the other major players and thus third parties as well. If it wants to compete directly with MS and Sony, it needs to release comparable machinery. It hasn't. Nintendo found gold with the Wii, but I doubt the Wii U will be anything to celebrate.


They are not directly competing with them on all fronts. 

 

Something else that bothers me. Why is it ok to have Nintendo doomed because of under powered specs yet also doomed because of cheap mobile/tablet gaming, yet ps4/720 are never compared to the mobile gaming sector? If its cool to rip into Nintendo releasing a 300$ platform with a tablet controller, why not rip into the other two for releasing some crazy powered expensive system. And before you start saying we don't know how much Sony or Xbox next will cost remember we don't know their specs either. So let's all just wait and see what happens next year. 

Ill bet a wii u that next Xmas if ps4/720 release Nintendo will have some pretty intense first party games to counter their release plus a new iPad 10 will be out.

Lastly has anyone thought that this is the last new controller Nintendo will be making? By that I mean wii u minus money from the tablet controller is what 189$ for the system. So why not update the hardware every three years. Imagine like apple Nintendo released a 200$ updated system that's BC with all the wii/wiiu accessories . All they simply need to do is add 2 gigs of ram, die shrink the CPU and gpu adding 2 more CPU cores and increasing the ghz while adding more edram. All I can say is honestly id rather companies update hardware every 3-4 years at a small cost to us than every 6 years and I have to spend 5-600$.

Sorry I was all ber with that post wrote in a hurry wife making me leave the house :). 



kitler53 said:
Conegamer said:
I don't get why people refuse to think that the WiiU is not next-gen, or that the other consoles will be a marked improvement over the current ones...


i don't get why people refuse to think the other consoles can't make a marked improvement over 7 year old (8 by the time it releases) technology.  did the world suddenly stop advancing? 

Sony and Microsoft produced larger, more energy hungry consoles than had been done before, sold them at a higher price and took larger losses than (pretty much) every console manufacturer had before when releasing the PS3 and XBox 360 in order to make them as powerful as they possibly could be. It is only with the super-slim PS3 that Sony has reduced the size and energy consumption (and possibly cost) of the PS3 to a level that was typical of most consoles at launch.

Sony and Microsoft can produce more powerful systems but to get the kind of performance increase some people expect they're into the unmarketable trade-off zone. Essentially, if you consider where the PS2 was when the PS3 was released and compare that with the PS3 today (super-slim model that is bigger, uses more energy and is more expensive than the slim PS2 was at the time) it is fair to argue that the PS4 would need to be bigger, more energy hungry and more expensive than the PS3 was at launch to maintain the same increase in processing power.



HappySqurriel said:
kitler53 said:
Conegamer said:
I don't get why people refuse to think that the WiiU is not next-gen, or that the other consoles will be a marked improvement over the current ones...


i don't get why people refuse to think the other consoles can't make a marked improvement over 7 year old (8 by the time it releases) technology.  did the world suddenly stop advancing? 

Sony and Microsoft produced larger, more energy hungry consoles than had been done before, sold them at a higher price and took larger losses than (pretty much) every console manufacturer had before when releasing the PS3 and XBox 360 in order to make them as powerful as they possibly could be. It is only with the super-slim PS3 that Sony has reduced the size and energy consumption (and possibly cost) of the PS3 to a level that was typical of most consoles at launch.

Sony and Microsoft can produce more powerful systems but to get the kind of performance increase some people expect they're into the unmarketable trade-off zone. Essentially, if you consider where the PS2 was when the PS3 was released and compare that with the PS3 today (super-slim model that is bigger, uses more energy and is more expensive than the slim PS2 was at the time) it is fair to argue that the PS4 would need to be bigger, more energy hungry and more expensive than the PS3 was at launch to maintain the same increase in processing power.


MS didn't take massive losses on their hardware, only sony did and they did so because of blu ray.  or did you forget that stand alone blu ray players cost more than the ps3 at ps3's launch?

Are you expecting MS to release at a lower price than last gen, $400?  if not then the launch cost of the 360 is a none factor.

it will have been 8 years.  360 had a signifant leap over xbox after only 5 so we have ~1.5 standard gens worth of advancement to look forward to.



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HappySqurriel said:
o_O.Q said:

HappySqurriel said:

. Sony and Microsoft saw their best sales after their systems were below $300 and after they released new controller-types. Sony and Microsoft actually don't care wether they have the "coolest" userbase, they really just want the largest userbase and most overall game sales they can get.



if thats the case why release new consoles at all? seeing as how they already have consoles on the market comparable to the wii u fitting that description?

Because the market has become stale, we're starting to see declining sales which will decrease further in the next few years, and the industry is driven by new gameplay experience which can (often) not be delivered by existing hardware.


and releasing consoles similar to ones already out will aleviate that issue?

if by new hardware you mean differences in terms of input or control or whatever, peripherals can be used

from your comment it seems to make no sense to release new consoles



Mr Khan said:
dsgrue3 said:
Nintendo has ostracized itself from the other major players and thus third parties as well. If it wants to compete directly with MS and Sony, it needs to release comparable machinery. It hasn't. Nintendo found gold with the Wii, but I doubt the Wii U will be anything to celebrate.

That's because there isn't a third party out there that hasn't proven that they have anything other than solid bone under their collective scalps.

that's right, technology has absolutely nothing to do with it.  wiiU has 2 Gb ram (only 1 for games) and when the next MSony console has 4-6 it's completely a non-factor due to engines being so scalable these days that any game that can run on the other consoles can obviously be ported over easily so long as they reduce the resolution from 1080 to 720.  yep, that's it.  absolutely nothing to due with nintendo.  not even a little.  daft third parties and their massive bias.



Another article written by a moron that doesn't known anything about the gaming industry or its history. Most of the time the most graphical advanced systems don't win in sales in any given generation.



 

WiiU isn't sold out and neither is it "dominating" the console market since both PS3 and 360 are ahead for the holidays.



It will be great to see how the next two consoles do out of the gate and how advanced their games look. I doubt the games will look noticeably different to the average consumer at launch and the sales will probably be very comparable to the early 360 and PS3 sales. I think a lot more developers will go bankrupt next gen then did this gen. The Vita is already proving that the strongest system can be a disater for both the console manufacturer and third party developers yet no one seems to see this.