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VGKing on 21 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
VGKing said:
JayWood2010 said:
It has only been one guy who said that and he got his thread shredded to pieces No it is not failing and it has 40 million gold subscribers. It is a billion dollar service so no it is not failing.

LOL @ Bold. No way. Where did this number come from?

OT: No, Xbox Live is not dying, but it is falling behind in some areas. Sony started doing Day 1 Digital Downloads for some games, Microsoft hasn't. Nintendo does it for every single game with Wii U. And then there's Playstation Plus. The value there is amazing.


Steve Ballmer and Majornelson.

PS+ has roughly 5 million users and has had no effect on XBL.  I know a lot of people has been hyping it up on this site but the majority of people see no need in owning PS+.  

Don't arrogantly say things you know nothing about.

I would love for you to give a source, until then I wont' believe you.

I HIGHLY doubt PS+ has 5million users too. Where are you getting this number from?

@bold
I can say the same to you. You're the one that seems to be making stuff up.



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VGKing on 21 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
Personally, I don't think xbox Live is dying, but I don't see it going as strong for another generation. Live's success partly stemmed from being head and shoulders above the competition, and the competition is starting to catch up.

I mean, I don't even think people anticipated PS+ or PSN being nearly as strong as it is, which will only make it harder to rationalize paying for it next gen. Had PSN or the WiiU been under par, then the decision to pay for the Live service is a no-brainer. But now that people are aware that alternatives exist, it might not be so easy later on.

This post was by no means affirming that xbox live was dying, but that MS is going to have to ratchet up the value in the future, which they are easily capable of.


It is kind of hard to say that when PSN has been well behind in multiplayer this whole generation.  Who knows what happens next gen but xbox is known for multiplayer gaming

Behind in multiplayer? How exactly? I would love for you to give some examples.
Play Call of Duty on PSN or XBL, the multiplayer is exacty the same. The servers are both P2P.



Jaywood2010 on 21 November 2012
VGKing said:
JayWood2010 said:
VGKing said:
JayWood2010 said:
It has only been one guy who said that and he got his thread shredded to pieces No it is not failing and it has 40 million gold subscribers. It is a billion dollar service so no it is not failing.

LOL @ Bold. No way. Where did this number come from?

OT: No, Xbox Live is not dying, but it is falling behind in some areas. Sony started doing Day 1 Digital Downloads for some games, Microsoft hasn't. Nintendo does it for every single game with Wii U. And then there's Playstation Plus. The value there is amazing.


Steve Ballmer and Majornelson.

PS+ has roughly 5 million users and has had no effect on XBL.  I know a lot of people has been hyping it up on this site but the majority of people see no need in owning PS+.  

Don't arrogantly say things you know nothing about.

I would love for you to give a source, until then I wont' believe you.

I HIGHLY doubt PS+ has 5million users too. Where are you getting this number from?

@bold
I can say the same to you. You're the one that seems to be making stuff up.


http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/60687-xbox-live-users-topple-40-million

One of many articles that you can find by simply typing it into google.....Lazy people




       

Dodece on 21 November 2012

@Jaywood

I believe you are confusing the number of people that use Live with the number of people that pay for the premium service. That said twenty million is probably more realistic. Further more most of those accounts probably don't pay sixty dollars a year. I sure as hell don't pay that. I let my Gold membership expire routinely, because I know that Microsoft is going to make me a dirt cheap offer when I go back to Silver. I usually end up paying one or two dollars a month.

My mother didn't raise a fool. The only pain about it is having to go on their slow as shit website to turn off the automatic renewal. Which automatically turns back on every time you resubscribe to Gold. It is a really big gripe of mine. I should be able to turn that off on my console, and I should be able to opt out of automatic renewal when buying the plan. They are basically betting on people forgetting to turn automatic renewal off, and in the long run that is going to piss people off.

I agree with another poster though in that Live is starting to slip. Microsoft needs to start providing its own original content, and more dynamic community experiences. Otherwise newer technologies are going to make their service entirely redundant. Except for hardcore first person shooter enthusiasts.



http://live.xbox.com/member/Dodece

theprof00 on 21 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
pokoko said:
JayWood2010 said:
It has only been one guy who said that and he got his thread shredded to pieces No it is not failing and it has 40 million gold subscribers. It is a billion dollar service so no it is not failing.

40 million?  That's nearly the size of the 360 installed base.  Are you sure about that?  It would mean that an overwhelming majority of 360s out there are linked to a gold account.  I have trouble believing that.  Isn't gold actually unavaliable in some regions?


Yes I'm positive.  They have 35-40 million a year.  

There are 35-40 Live accounts. MS have not given out their gold numbers except for three years ago when they said 10-20million.

Since then, they've bragged about yearly 10% increases, so the number cannot be higher than 25m or so.



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theprof00 on 21 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
VGKing said:
JayWood2010 said:
VGKing said:
JayWood2010 said:
It has only been one guy who said that and he got his thread shredded to pieces No it is not failing and it has 40 million gold subscribers. It is a billion dollar service so no it is not failing.

LOL @ Bold. No way. Where did this number come from?

OT: No, Xbox Live is not dying, but it is falling behind in some areas. Sony started doing Day 1 Digital Downloads for some games, Microsoft hasn't. Nintendo does it for every single game with Wii U. And then there's Playstation Plus. The value there is amazing.


Steve Ballmer and Majornelson.

PS+ has roughly 5 million users and has had no effect on XBL.  I know a lot of people has been hyping it up on this site but the majority of people see no need in owning PS+.  

Don't arrogantly say things you know nothing about.

I would love for you to give a source, until then I wont' believe you.

I HIGHLY doubt PS+ has 5million users too. Where are you getting this number from?

@bold
I can say the same to you. You're the one that seems to be making stuff up.


http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/60687-xbox-live-users-topple-40-million

One of many articles that you can find by simply typing it into google.....Lazy people

"Ballmer did not say how many active Gold members there are."



Jaywood2010 on 21 November 2012
theprof00 said:
JayWood2010 said:
pokoko said:
JayWood2010 said:
It has only been one guy who said that and he got his thread shredded to pieces No it is not failing and it has 40 million gold subscribers. It is a billion dollar service so no it is not failing.

40 million?  That's nearly the size of the 360 installed base.  Are you sure about that?  It would mean that an overwhelming majority of 360s out there are linked to a gold account.  I have trouble believing that.  Isn't gold actually unavaliable in some regions?


Yes I'm positive.  They have 35-40 million a year.  

There are 35-40 Live accounts. MS have not given out their gold numbers except for three years ago when they said 10-20million.

Since then, they've bragged about yearly 10% increases, so the number cannot be higher than 25m or so.

then use an estimate of 25-30m  This isn't hard to figure out.  All I can do is give you information that we have been given and by you saying that it increases by10% a year what was the point of this thread when you know the answer already?  No it is not failing is the answer and is getting bigger.




       

theprof00 on 21 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
Personally, I don't think xbox Live is dying, but I don't see it going as strong for another generation. Live's success partly stemmed from being head and shoulders above the competition, and the competition is starting to catch up.

I mean, I don't even think people anticipated PS+ or PSN being nearly as strong as it is, which will only make it harder to rationalize paying for it next gen. Had PSN or the WiiU been under par, then the decision to pay for the Live service is a no-brainer. But now that people are aware that alternatives exist, it might not be so easy later on.

This post was by no means affirming that xbox live was dying, but that MS is going to have to ratchet up the value in the future, which they are easily capable of.


It is kind of hard to say that when PSN has been well behind in multiplayer this whole generation.  Who knows what happens next gen but xbox is known for multiplayer gaming

What does that mean? Is there some quantifiable value there?

I know the matchmaking is generally a smidge faster, and there is cross chat on live, but other than that there really aren't any differences that couldn't be offset. My point is more that last gen, there was Live and Ps2. Live was the only game in the neighborhood.

Then in this gen, early psn was slow and disconnects frequent.

But now it's gotten to a point where I think the positives like improved speed are offset by ps+ offerings like games and content.

What I'm saying is, last gen, and earlier this gen, if you wanted to play online, that creed of xbox being multiplayer was very much true. But now, it isn't, or at least is not much of a contrast as previously. Like, playstation was once 'the king of console gaming', and now competition has increased, so it isn't the case currently, and they need to try harder in the future to regain and retain. It's the same with Live.


No, PS2 had Socom 2 last gen which was also an online game.  And you are correct that it isnt as big of as a gap as early in this gen but it hasn't changed the image of XBL as it has continued to grow.  I'm happy for the people who like PSN and all but VGKing was incorrect so I thought I'd say something about it.  

As for next gen who knows what will happen.  Off of what I know XBL will most likely not be effected too much because it is known for multiplayer and is popular in regions where multiplayer is huge (America).  PSN will most likely get cross chat which will help it but they also need to improve there image to americans which it hasn't done.

>_>



theprof00 on 21 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
JayWood2010 said:
pokoko said:
JayWood2010 said:
It has only been one guy who said that and he got his thread shredded to pieces No it is not failing and it has 40 million gold subscribers. It is a billion dollar service so no it is not failing.

40 million?  That's nearly the size of the 360 installed base.  Are you sure about that?  It would mean that an overwhelming majority of 360s out there are linked to a gold account.  I have trouble believing that.  Isn't gold actually unavaliable in some regions?


Yes I'm positive.  They have 35-40 million a year.  

There are 35-40 Live accounts. MS have not given out their gold numbers except for three years ago when they said 10-20million.

Since then, they've bragged about yearly 10% increases, so the number cannot be higher than 25m or so.

then use an estimate of 25-30m  This isn't hard to figure out.  All I can do is give you information that we have been given and by you saying that it increases by10% a year what was the point of this thread when you know the answer already?  No it is not failing is the answer and is getting bigger.

What are you talking about.

My point is so far unrelated to what you're saying, I'm wondering whether I should continue wasting my time.



Jaywood2010 on 21 November 2012

"Ballmer did not say how many active Gold members there are."


Yes I read that a moment ago.