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Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
Kasz216 said:


Or it's just a matter of paying attention to UN votes and knowing about about the Nonaligned Movement (NAM).  Which is specifically a voting block created to counterbalance the US and vote against basically everything they are for.

 

Though yeah.  Why wouldn't 2% be enough? (a 2% over other highly interested parties anyway). You can't begin to deal with the US until you get elected.

It's not like Europe is calling for vast UN sanctions on Israel or anything, or even denouncing statements in most cases.   Just mild displeasure here or there.  With the biggest noise "coincdentally" coming from the nations with the biggest muslim populations/voting blocks.


Hell, comments now are argueably more pro israel then they were 3 weeks ago. 


Once again, you're stating that the NAM does not have an opinion of it's own, and once again, insulting said states. Believe it or not, the world does NOT revolve around the US. States DO think for themselves, and not one that I know makes a decision based on "Well, how is the US voting?"

2% isn't exactly a powerful amount, especially if a counterbalance pro-western movement turned out to vote, and I seriously doubt many would go for election on the promise of "changing the foreign policy".

All your showing is that you don't pay attention to the politcs of the UN.  Your personal views are irrelevent when the US is just going to do what it wants anyway.  Therefore nations angry about this tend to vote overwhelmingly against anything the US supports no matter what it is... right down to the US deciding to chip in for a better thread count for the napkins in the UN Cafeteria.

Let alone work against a State that see's wide US support.

Were the area divided from the US.  It would just be anothe Nagomo-Karrabagh.

The only people who will really care that much will be those already in the region.

If the US were to withdraw  support and start calls for boycotts, suddenly South America would greatly change it's tune... and Russian or China would likely offer military aid.   Suddenly countries in Africa with Muslim rebels would support Israel.


Have we witnessed a US backpedal before which caused Russian/Chinese change of opinion in rhetoric before? I would say that if I was the US, I wouldn't exactly count on that to happen. Russia and the US may not see eye to eye on a lot of things, but I seriusly doubt a US backpedal would suddenly turn Russia's foreign policy. Probably a bit of confusion, but that's about it.

Wait what? Muslim rebels would NOT support Israel if the US left. If anything the Muslims would suddenly show a lot of American support for their boycott of Israel.



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This is typical, whenever Jews are mentioned in political context. It MUST be said how Nazis mistreated them. Isn't this enough?.. Holocaust, trade-marked, do not even dare to touch it :D I mean, why not Chinese? They were slaughtered by Japs in millions. Probably because they aren't such whiners.

To the point, nothing. The relationship between the master and a dog (which is which is depends on your political views) are getting colder already. They know they're skrewed (hence all these reverences towards Asad). Not a big deal though, they spent their 40 years in a desert, will spend some more and move to other places, like the US (as if 5-6 million Jews in there is not enough, probably more than in Israel! what I'm afraid of is they might come back here), which speaks a lot about the so called Jewish nation. Well, ther're Israeli though (there was even running slogan "kill galut Jew in you, become an Israeli!"), which was modest attempt to build a nation out of Jews but ultimately failed. The more events will follow Arab Spring scenario the more Jews will escape Israel sooner or later, because in the end they do not care about Israel, who will left to protect their homeland? Well, Israeli, patriots of the motherland, kudos to them. There MUST be some Israeli in Israel, right?



fordy said:
Kasz216 said:
fordy said:


Once again, you're stating that the NAM does not have an opinion of it's own, and once again, insulting said states. Believe it or not, the world does NOT revolve around the US. States DO think for themselves, and not one that I know makes a decision based on "Well, how is the US voting?"

2% isn't exactly a powerful amount, especially if a counterbalance pro-western movement turned out to vote, and I seriously doubt many would go for election on the promise of "changing the foreign policy".

All your showing is that you don't pay attention to the politcs of the UN.  Your personal views are irrelevent when the US is just going to do what it wants anyway.  Therefore nations angry about this tend to vote overwhelmingly against anything the US supports no matter what it is... right down to the US deciding to chip in for a better thread count for the napkins in the UN Cafeteria.

Let alone work against a State that see's wide US support.

Were the area divided from the US.  It would just be anothe Nagomo-Karrabagh.

The only people who will really care that much will be those already in the region.

If the US were to withdraw  support and start calls for boycotts, suddenly South America would greatly change it's tune... and Russian or China would likely offer military aid.   Suddenly countries in Africa with Muslim rebels would support Israel.


Have we witnessed a US backpedal before which caused Russian/Chinese change of opinion in rhetoric before? I would say that if I was the US, I wouldn't exactly count on that to happen. Russia and the US may not see eye to eye on a lot of things, but I seriusly doubt a US backpedal would suddenly turn Russia's foreign policy. Probably a bit of confusion, but that's about it.

Wait what? Muslim rebels would NOT support Israel if the US left. If anything the Muslims would suddenly show a lot of American support for their boycott of Israel.


Ok... your profile says Austrlia... but are you from there originally and is english your first language?   This may sound insulting, but this is a serious question.  This is yet another case of you not reading what i wrote correctly.

"Suddenly countries in Africa with Muslim rebels would support Israel."

As in... countries who have rebels, who are muslim. 

Actually, if you take out the African part... this fits Russia quite well.

The only thing that really hides the hypocrisy is the US backing of Israel.



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Kasz216 said:


Ok... your profile says Austrlia... but are you from there originally and is english your first language?   This may sound insulting, but this is a serious question.  This is yet another case of you not reading what i wrote correctly.

"Suddenly countries in Africa with Muslim rebels would support Israel."

As in... countries who have rebels, who are muslim. 

Actually, if you take out the African part... this fits Russia quite well.

The only thing that really hides the hypocrisy is the US backing of Israel.

That one was indeed a misreading. My mistake. Does not justify earlier out-of-context readings, however.

I don't think this would be a kneejerk black and white issue. I believe in some instances things could move the opposite, and countries with said rebels may find themselves with more in common with their rebels. It wouldn't just be "US changes stance, so everyone does..."



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Nothing, america need to break ties.



1). America stops funding their military.
2). UN tries a bunch of them for war crimes, only going after those that are extremely, blatantly guilty.

I promise you, they would wake up pretty quick.



scottie said:
1). America stops funding their military.
2). UN tries a bunch of them for war crimes, only going after those that are extremely, blatantly guilty.

I promise you, they would wake up pretty quick.


Likely by forciblly removing all palestians from areas they want, unilaterally taking what they want, set up permanent borders and say "the hell with it" to every other area... causing political and structural collpase in gaza and the West bank forcing Egypt and Jordan to take over respectivly.

Backing Israel in a corner would likely only make things worse for Palestine.

Israel's military spending per GDP isn't actually that high, and they could likely get around any finicancial aid lost via trading it's weapons and going around US bans it won't have to follow anymore.

Like the recent alleged drone sales to Azerbaijan. 



SlayerRondo said:
Viper1 said:
America should break ties with them and then see how well they can act like a bully without 'merica to back it up.

They got their own damn nukes anyway.


Is it really a good idea to leave them in a stuation where they have few choices including unleash the nukes?

Plus its really not a fair to call them a bully when surrounded by nations that hate them, have launched repeated wars against them and do little to nothing to prevent their extremist elements from firing rockets into isreal. Under similar circumstances what would America do?

Both sides commit atrocities to each other.  There is no innocent side in this battle.  But neither side seems to want a peaceful resolution either.

I suggest the US back off and watch how fast a peace resolution comes to the table.

Because the current actions on both sides aren't doing anything but creating more hate for each other.  Bloody fucking brilliant. 



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Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
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The Israelis are bullying the Arabs, and are given sympathy by the West, because they claim that Jewish people occupied that land from ancient times. Why else would they be granted land in that specific region of the world, right?

But why did the West support, so adamantly, the creation of Israel, which divided an already established nation right down the middle? We all know that America would never create a nation inside it's borders for all the Native Americans, that divided America's East from West. There has to be a motive behind all of this that isn't transparent for us to see.

It's really sad to people getting upset over other people's comments, only because they were not "politically correct." With that said, let me say this: I believe that America and Israel are worse than the Nazis. Not only have they committed some of the most heinous global atrocities in this age (many mimicking how the Nazis treated the Jews), but they've also done it sneakily, and are very underhanded. At least the Nazis were up front about their crimes.

cry to me some more about how the obese gazans dont get to eat 20 cheeseburgers at ever meal you degenerate slimeball, then crawl back to whatever cesspit you crawled from.

 


Are you Israeli by any chance? Normally I wouldn't ask this type of question, but you just really went after me with what's highlighted above!

sadly we seem to share the same country.   i say its sad because somehow you made it through our education system (or did you?)  and still remained an incompetent bumbling fool.   your ignorance in making the comments you did is near incomprehensible.    I am not jewish either, if that is going to be your next question.   a great many people from all walks of life suffered unspeakable horrors at the hands of the nazis, your comments quite literally cause me to feel physically ill. 

 

 


I'm sure the Afghanis, Iraqis, and Palestenians can say the same about America and Israel.

If this is too much for you to hear, and is causing you to feel physically ill and emotional, maybe you shouldn't involve yourself in these types of discussions. No need to attack others with your insults either, you're making yourself look like a complete joke.


Only an unspeakable degenerate and ignorant fool in my opinion would compare America and Israel and America to the Nazi's. Yes America and israel and America are not perfect and neither is Afghanistan, Iraq or the Palestenians. But if you think that the Jewish community could have relocated to their ancesteral lands and been able to live peace with the local population you are gravely mistaken.

And how is Israel launching missile stikes at terrorsit leaders leading to collateral damage (which i admit was too far) while under constant pressure from rocket attacks and suffering multiple wars in the past against multiple nations even slightly familiar to millions of jews being tortured, malnourished and gassed to death? 

Answer: It's not and you are simple someone whom hates America and wont contribute anything to a discussion by making rediculous claims. Isreal is not perfect nor is the west bank and people who try to heap ALL the blame onto one side is NOT HELPING the discussion.

PS: America fought against the Nazi's so they cant possible be that bad commiting all these sneeky ethnic purges youre going on about that reasemble the Nazi's.



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