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TheShape31 said:

http://gamingbolt.com/wii-u-cpu-less-powerful-than-ps3360-says-tecmo

So there's that.

 

DieAppleDie said:
still stronger than a PS3 right? enough for me
and seriously, theShape, you put too much effort putting down a thing you dislike, focus on positive things and things you like, you will be happier

I'm trying to get to the facts, regardless of the outcome.  So just because I'm defending the information that makes the Wii U seem less powerful, it doesn't mean that I'm anti-Nintendo or anything like that.  Why do you think Wii U is so easily backward compatible?  Enhanced Broadway architecture is the most obvious answer, which is codenamed Espresso... Project Cafe ring any bells?  When you put all the information together, it makes the most sense.


I agree, this full backward compatibility can be possible because WiiU uses the same architecture as GC/Wii, it is a strong indication that WiiU uses a more powerful version of Broadway processor.



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You do realize there is a version of Power7 that is clocked lower than HDtwins?



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Birimbau said:


I agree, this full backward compatibility can be possible because WiiU uses the same architecture as GC/Wii, it is a strong indication that WiiU uses a more powerful version of Broadway processor.


No, that's just an indication that you don't know what you're talking about ...

The PowerPC and POWER architectures are completely different chips but the instruction sets are remarkably similar and with only a (relatively) small performance hit it should be possible to achieve nearly perfect emulation of the Wii's CPU using emulation or instruction translation.

To further my point: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.aix.aixassem/doc/alangref/power_ppc_diff_1opcode.htm

"Source compatibility of POWER family programs is maintained on PowerPC platforms. All POWER family user instructions are emulated in PowerPC by the operating system. Because the emulation of instructions is much slower than the execution of hardware-supported instructions, for performance reasons it may be desirable to modify the source program to use hardware-supported instructions."

If you read through the documentation you will see that the chips are vastly different, and no one at IBM would confuse a PowerPC processor for a chip within the Power family, but that doesn't mean that the Wii U needs a PowerPC chip to emulate the Wii.



 

Since Nintendo's focus is on low power & form factor, I decided to look at this AMD GPU comparison chart 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units

 

Now, as I peruse through the interwebs for Wii U infos, I have noticed that NO ONE has seriously discussed MOBILE gpu as an option for Wii U.  Why is that? Look at this card for example, seems tailor made for Wii U esp. if they customize it further:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Mobility_Radeon_HD_5xxx_Series

Mobility Radeon HD 5830

lauched: January 7, 2010

40 nm, DX11/4.0 shader

800 GFLOPS

TDP: 24 Watts

Lots of people freaking out thinking Wii U will be weak b/c of Iwata saying the system is 75 W power consumption, but its still possible to have decent specs.

 



Dreamcast was much more powerful than N64 and PS.
Then PS2 came along. Then GameCube came along. Then XBOX came along.

What I mean is that, the U may seem really powerful (for some people) right now, but nobody knows what's in store for the other companies.
I'm a little on the fence about the U's power, but being totally honest, I can't really say at this point. It will be interesting to see the console's actual performance on multi-platform tittles from the PS3/360 era, and then the PS4/720 era.

Only time will tell how good the performance of the system is.



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The shape is just anti-Nintendo, just as much as I don't favor Sony. Most of his post about Nintendo hovers around being trollish. Trust me, it takes one to know one.



oni-link said:
The shape is just anti-Nintendo, just as much as I don't favor Sony. Most of his post about Nintendo hovers around being trollish. Trust me, it takes one to know one.

I've owned far more Nintendo consoles (every single one so far) than I have any other company's.  It's very easy to dismiss someone else's opinion you don't agree with rather than putting effort into creating an argument of your own.  If you think I'm wrong, tell me why, rather than sitting back and tossing around innacurate accusations.  I've stated on several occasions that I hope the Wii U is more powerful than I think.  But I will never dismiss the most rational, consistent, and credible pieces of information that comes out.  Grow up, and learn how to communicate.



TheShape31 said:
oni-link said:
The shape is just anti-Nintendo, just as much as I don't favor Sony. Most of his post about Nintendo hovers around being trollish. Trust me, it takes one to know one.

I've owned far more Nintendo consoles (every single one so far) than I have any other company's.  It's very easy to dismiss someone else's opinion you don't agree with rather than putting effort into creating an argument of your own.  If you think I'm wrong, tell me why, rather than sitting back and tossing around innacurate accusations.  I've stated on several occasions that I hope the Wii U is more powerful than I think.  But I will never dismiss the most rational, consistent, and credible pieces of information that comes out.  Grow up, and learn how to communicate.


There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that you have at least a slight negative tendancy towards Nintendo regarding news about them.  If I wanted to, I could try to compile some of the things you said to prove my point, but most people here have probably seen what you've said up to this point.



FujiokaMidori said:

Dreamcast was much more powerful than N64 and PS.
Then PS2 came along. Then GameCube came along. Then XBOX came along.

What I mean is that, the U may seem really powerful (for some people) right now, but nobody knows what's in store for the other companies.
I'm a little on the fence about the U's power, but being totally honest, I can't really say at this point. It will be interesting to see the console's actual performance on multi-platform tittles from the PS3/360 era, and then the PS4/720 era.

Only time will tell how good the performance of the system is.


Dreamcast much more powerful?  I beg to differ.  I say it was maybe twice as powerful as the n64 at best.  People seem to not realize how powerful the N64s hardware actually was.



errorpwns said:
FujiokaMidori said:

Dreamcast was much more powerful than N64 and PS.
Then PS2 came along. Then GameCube came along. Then XBOX came along.

What I mean is that, the U may seem really powerful (for some people) right now, but nobody knows what's in store for the other companies.
I'm a little on the fence about the U's power, but being totally honest, I can't really say at this point. It will be interesting to see the console's actual performance on multi-platform tittles from the PS3/360 era, and then the PS4/720 era.

Only time will tell how good the performance of the system is.


Dreamcast much more powerful?  I beg to differ.  I say it was maybe twice as powerful as the n64 at best.  People seem to not realize how powerful the N64s hardware actually was.



Well, I would comment something defending my original argument, but no. Because you are actually right. The N64 was a very powerful piece of hardware, not THAT far from the DC.

My point really, is that DC was more powerful than the consoles of its time.

I know it's not an exact comparison, but I find the DC and U to share a few things in common. I'm not saying either that the U will be WAY below the other new systems. I actually just want to see how good or bad it really does, performance wise, because horse power don't make the best console, but it's still fun to compare and see how they do.

I just can't help but to compare it to the DC at times, but as I said, only time will really tell.