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Sony Q4 and FY 2011 : PS3 1.9m shipped - PSV 1.8m lifetime.

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pezus said:
cyberninja45 said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
PSV is at 1.8m, it sold 600k in march if sales were 1.2m at the end of february.


???

explain

shipments were 1.2m by end feb.


The 1.2m reported during the western launch were sold to customers I believe. Boasting about shipped (sold to retailers) numbers for launch makes no sense.

1.8m reported now is sold to retailers.

 

Edit: WOW if thats the case it's quite probable that the vita has yet to sell through the initial western shipment! 1.8M(minus Japan) WAS THE VITA'S LAUNCH SHIPMENT FIGURE!??!

How do you know?

Did some counting...If we minus Japan from the western launch: ~600k sold to customers LTD in Japan by the time the west launched.(~800k shipped?)

So we have  ~1M shipment for the entire western launch+pre-launch.

So yeah its an almost certainty.

EDIT: Know what, fuckit! That was the launch shipment.



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slowmo said:

Stops smoking crack, it's not big and certainly not clever!

Apologies if I've jumped to the wrong conclusion but that's pretty much the only statement that can be made for someone who think there is more ms fans on this site than Sony posting about sales.  You're nuts.

OT - The PS3 is overtracked, anyone remotely unbiased as said so for the last 3 months.  Sony fans whinging about channel stuffing sound like the pro MS nutters who said the same about the PS3 after the 2009 pricecut.  Get over it, estimates are estimates and change all the time, sometimes they support a stance you've been arguing other times they harpoon your argument.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, but weren't you one of those people?



MS stuff the supply chain by shipping a lot of xbox 360s to their own store..massive assertion from some people on this forum. Shame they got no facts to back that up. PS3 overtracked, clearly.



Maynard_Tool said:
Well... the name VITA is starting to sound a lil ironic dont u think

no



cyberninja45 said:
pezus said:
cyberninja45 said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
PSV is at 1.8m, it sold 600k in march if sales were 1.2m at the end of february.


???

explain

shipments were 1.2m by end feb.


The 1.2m reported during the western launch were sold to customers I believe. Boasting about shipped (sold to retailers) numbers for launch makes no sense.

1.8m reported now is sold to retailers.

 

Edit: WOW if thats the case it's quite probable that the vita has yet to sell through the initial western shipment! 1.8M(minus Japan) WAS THE VITA'S LAUNCH SHIPMENT FIGURE!??!

How do you know?

Did some counting...If we minus Japan from the western launch: ~600k sold to customers LTD in Japan by the time the west launched.(~800k shipped?)

So we have  ~1M shipment for the entire western launch+pre-launch.

So yeah its an almost certainty.

EDIT: Know what, fuckit! That was the launch shipment.

Pretty sure Sony never reports sold to customer numbers, if they even knew them begin with - as far as I know Nintendo is the only one with a tracking system.



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pezus said:
yo_john117 said:
pezus said:
yo_john117 said:
pezus said:
zhao3gold said:
How ridiculous someone here said $99 Xbox with subscription fee is MS trying to sell their over-stocked 360. The purpose of this is testing if this kind of business can be suitable for gaming industry and perhaps implent in the next gen.

I really don't understand the posts from those anti-xbox fans.

Well those who buy it will be pretty screwed when their next console comes out and they're still paying that monthly fee for a last-gen console. 

Not really. If they want, they can simply buy the next Xbox and continue to pay for XBL. Accounts transfer just like that between consoles.

Will this transfer? You're not only paying for XBL, but also the console itself partly

The money your paying is partially going to pay for that console but as long as your paying the $15 a month you can do whatever you want with the console and your XBL account. XBL accounts can be on any Microsoft console you want.


What if they do a similar subscription thing with their next console? Will you need to continue paying monthly for the 360 and the new console on top?

If they did a similar thing next gen (which I think they will) then if you bought the new 360 in the same way it would probably be like upgrading your phone AKA: add two (or three or four) years to however much time you have left in your contract and you may have to pay a bit more a month since it's a new console.



theprof00 said:
slowmo said:

Stops smoking crack, it's not big and certainly not clever!

Apologies if I've jumped to the wrong conclusion but that's pretty much the only statement that can be made for someone who think there is more ms fans on this site than Sony posting about sales.  You're nuts.

OT - The PS3 is overtracked, anyone remotely unbiased as said so for the last 3 months.  Sony fans whinging about channel stuffing sound like the pro MS nutters who said the same about the PS3 after the 2009 pricecut.  Get over it, estimates are estimates and change all the time, sometimes they support a stance you've been arguing other times they harpoon your argument.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, but weren't you one of those people?


I think I was one of those people who said adjustments will come so stop whinging about them tbh.  Feel free to prove me wrong though.  I would add that the Sony crowd had whined consitantly for about 6 months about the PS3 being undertracked before the change was made.  Lets put this into perspective though, no matter what my opinion was back then it was 3 years ago and both me and this site have changed drastically in that time. 

For the record btw I maybe pro MS but I've owned all 3 consoles since April 2008 (and a reasonable spec PC) and still do have all 3 so it's not like I have a particular preference without experiencing the other options unlike some people on the site.

 

P.S I couldn't find anything far enough back to either prove you right or wrong although last year I did say it was stupid of people to accuse MS of lying about shortages just as it was silly to do the same when Sony had claimed the same in 2010 post the busy 2009 holidays.  I maybe hypocrit on many subjects but I think I've always been of a similar mindset on the subject of consoles being over/under tracked not being too much of an issue as they get adjusted correctly eventually.



theprof00 said:
NotStan said:
theprof00 said:
NotStan said:

Price cuts are not designed to increase sales but to combat slowing sales. Overstocked is a likely scenario given the timing of announcement.

They're not pulling it out of their asses either. It is a brilliant strategy to also make it look like their live subscriptions are increasing. Remember this is only a limited time coupon. http://content.microsoftstore.com/store/xblive2yr-offer/

Use your mafia head. Why would MS offer this deal only for a limited time, only as a coupon, and only at MS stores. Apparently no other retailer ordered too much stock (or they would've dropped price), and no tracking company knows where the other shipments are. MS made it a goal to be #1 last year, shipped. Do you think, possibly, in any way, they might have over-ordered their own product in order to beat out the competition in shipments, and now have too much stock and are subsequently "dropping" the price?

Which stores were offering these 199$ ps3s? I was only aware of gamestop. There was some 199$ during Christmas, but that's to be expected. I'm talkign about recently.

Now now, that's just going way too much into detail, so you're saying that MS is currently sitting on about ~1M xbox's in their warehouses because they purposely overshipped just to appear better in their financial results? Don't you think that's a bit far fetched? After all this is a company that was not prepared to sacrifice profits for the last 3 years and didn't bother announcing an official price cut, if anyone Sony would be capable of doing something like that, with the numerous price cuts and increased marketing effort that has been happening the last few years, pushing much harder in an attempt to achieve higher shipments than the competition. It's a far fetched theory that unfortunately doesn't hold much weight as it would be out of character.

Amazon pricematched them I believe, in UK sainsbury's, tesco, morrison's etc often have sales on PS3 too, about £159 - like £30 or so under RRP.

It could be a combination of reasons. Like for instance, MS loses money by selling consoles to retailers instead of selling consoles themselves. I don't think they overstocked by 1M, but several hundred thousand is very reasonable, and perhaps this was planned all along, so they purposely over produced and overshipped this past quarter. Who knows the exact details? What we do know is the facts.

-fact1: MS shipped numbers are higher than any sales tracking firm, ANY
-fact2: Nobody knows where these consoles are
-fact3: No retailer has dropped price, which would indicate overstock
-fact4: MS is having a psuedo price drop
-fact5: It is "for a limited time"

the MS deal is only good at MS stores and is a trial, im betting its being used to gaudge setting up the next xbox with subscription out of the gate, and push higher end hardware while entering late 



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I'm not seeing how we can be that off for the PS3. I thought our numbers were pretty spot on with Nintendo's? Maybe take away that ~150K we added recently and we should be fine.



thismeintiel said:
I'm not seeing how we can be that off for the PS3.

Just look at the Weekly Hardware chart. If you added up America, Europe and Japan, you'd have noticed a "Rest of the World" number where PS3 outsells X360 3:1 (or even more) every week this year. This ratio is completely fictious. Remove about 15-20k overtracking every week and you get a PS3 overtrack by at least 200k alone.