Game_boy said: Time and time again, the same story from third parties: Develop a Wii game with much poorer graphics than it can handle, with no depth, a party atmosphere and broken Wii Remote controls. Rake in the cash due to Wii's very large and casual userbase that wants priamrily simple fun. Immediately develop massive-budget sequel to well known franchise using the money, exclusive to the PS3 and/or Xbox 360. Game bombs due to small but with high standards userbase of said platforms, combined with a break-even point of 1 million copies. Company loses money, but, hey, it can be saved by a poor quality Wii game! Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Some of those exclusive games even make a small profit: Assasins Creed, for example. However, one "big" game in five makes it; AC could just as easily have flopped as badly as Heavenly Sword, Lair or Unreal Tournament 3. Remember, "bombing" in the case of MGS4 could be a mere 800,000 copies on day one. For example (these are the best developers; most just release X360 or PS3 games): Ubisoft: RRR, Red Steel -> Assasins Creed Capcom: Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition -> Resident Evil 5, Lost Planet Konami: Elebits -> Metal Gear Solid 4, Silent Hill EA: Boogie, EA Playground -> Burnout Paradise, Medal of Honor: Airborne T-Two: Carnival Games -> GTA4 and now: Sega: M&S at the Olympic Games, NiGHts -> Beijing 2008, Golden Axe

This whole article stinks of crappy fact checking...

-Lost Planet was released before Resident Evil.... and it wasn't a bomb

-Assassins Creed.... not really a bomb

-Elebits sold 240,000 according to vgchartz... while I'm sure it made money, it sure as hell isn't funding MGS 4

- And finally, the day GTA 4 bombs will be the day I post my nude pictures on these forums..

 

Did I read this whole article?? nope, just saw a misleading title, with some false facts and made a presumption that the rest of it was basically crap.

ion-storm said: Anyone ever think what the game developers want? Could it be that the programmers like to push the limit with the technology and see what they can do? They may be a little bored of producing for wii standard hardware (I know it's more powerful than last generation but not overly). I imagine lots of them find 360 and ps3 programming more interesting after having done last generation to death. Not even just the programmers. How about the artists and production teams. People like to move forward. Sure the wii is a step forward with interactivity, but only very few of the development will have much input into the control scheme.

That's right.  All programmers care about is pushing technology.  That's why every game ever is made on the vastly technologically superior PC, and why no developers wasted their time on the PSX and the PS2, the weakest systems of their respective generations. 

naznatips said: ion-storm said: Anyone ever think what the game developers want? Could it be that the programmers like to push the limit with the technology and see what they can do? They may be a little bored of producing for wii standard hardware (I know it's more powerful than last generation but not overly). I imagine lots of them find 360 and ps3 programming more interesting after having done last generation to death. Not even just the programmers. How about the artists and production teams. People like to move forward. Sure the wii is a step forward with interactivity, but only very few of the development will have much input into the control scheme. That's right. All programmers care about is pushing technology. That's why every game ever is made on the vastly technologically superior PC, and why no developers wasted their time on the PSX and the PS2, the weakest systems of their respective generations.

Only Nintendo is shallow enough to care about that "money" thing, the greedy bastards.

Seriously, they need to grow up. 

ion-storm said: Anyone ever think what the game developers want? Could it be that the programmers like to push the limit with the technology and see what they can do? They may be a little bored of producing for wii standard hardware (I know it's more powerful than last generation but not overly). I imagine lots of them find 360 and ps3 programming more interesting after having done last generation to death. Not even just the programmers. How about the artists and production teams. People like to move forward. Sure the wii is a step forward with interactivity, but only very few of the development will have much input into the control scheme.

 Yes, they clearly pushed Wii's limit with games like Cruisin and Ninjabread Man and became bored immediately.

rocketpig said: ItsaMii said: Capcom should not be included in this example. Lost Planet and Dead Rising sold really well, however Capcom is not very happy with its sales. They wasted trucks of money in development and ads, they were expecting better sales. Where did you get that information? Capcom openly stated that they needed 700k in sales to break even on Lost Planet... A number the game eclipsed quickly because in late January, it had reportedly sold around 1m copies (it launched in early January). I don't see how Capcom is upset about that.

 You missed my point, dude. They made money and a good amount of it. However they lost opportunities. How many low-medium budget games could they make with the same money? They could make lots of PSP,PS2, Wii and DS with the same money. The sales would be lower, but the profits are all that matters to them.

wait a second
so you state that capcom and konami are using the money they make on

Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition en Elebits

to develop

Resident Evil 5, Lost Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Silent Hill

?


those development costs are significantly higher than the profit those companies might have made on RE4 Wii Edition and Elibits.. using you're example..


besides that
the target audiance of the ps3 and 360 expect other games on these two consoles than the games made for the wii

don't blame the developers
they just make games to appeal to the different userbases of the consoles
if they could make wii-like games sell on the ps3 and 360 with low developing costs
they wouldn't hesitate to make them
but the ps3 and 360 users want other games

ItsaMii said: rocketpig said: ItsaMii said: Capcom should not be included in this example. Lost Planet and Dead Rising sold really well, however Capcom is not very happy with its sales. They wasted trucks of money in development and ads, they were expecting better sales. Where did you get that information? Capcom openly stated that they needed 700k in sales to break even on Lost Planet... A number the game eclipsed quickly because in late January, it had reportedly sold around 1m copies (it launched in early January). I don't see how Capcom is upset about that. You missed my point, dude. They made money and a good amount of it. However they lost opportunities. How many low-medium budget games could they make with the same money? They could make lots of PSP,PS2, Wii and DS with the same money. The sales would be lower, but the profits are all that matters to them.

Well, you did say they were unhappy, which confused me.

Either way, they made money. Could they have made more? Of course.

They also could have made more if the game was better. It's really a flawed way to look at things. Tapping into a viable market and making money is a success, even if you could have possibly made more doing something else.

If you want failure, bring up Stranglehold, Lair, or one of the other games that has bombed recently. Capcom is not the right place to look to back up your argument. 

ItsaMii said: rocketpig said: ItsaMii said: Capcom should not be included in this example. Lost Planet and Dead Rising sold really well, however Capcom is not very happy with its sales. They wasted trucks of money in development and ads, they were expecting better sales. Where did you get that information? Capcom openly stated that they needed 700k in sales to break even on Lost Planet... A number the game eclipsed quickly because in late January, it had reportedly sold around 1m copies (it launched in early January). I don't see how Capcom is upset about that. You missed my point, dude. They made money and a good amount of it. However they lost opportunities. How many low-medium budget games could they make with the same money? They could make lots of PSP,PS2, Wii and DS with the same money. The sales would be lower, but the profits are all that matters to them.

 

True, but in order to produce those games, they need ideas for it first. I suspect that many developers are used to creating IPs for the 360/PS3 crowds so when Nintendo came in with the Wii, none of them could really think of anything that would be well suited for it. It takes time to get the ball rolling but in the meantime, why not make Lost Planet?

Man so much love in this forum lol.

@All the guys being sarcastic with the PC comments, you do realize that you have to Upgrade a PC right? You can't count on a PC having solidified specs and as such I can see why not so many companys are pushing for the next Crysis >_> How many of you guys enjoy buying a sequal to a game that looks worse >_>? It's almost unheard of. 

@Carlos, your comment is full of BS, we've been following the Graphics sell policy since the creation of video games, graphics will always sell,  they aren't a novelty, there a part of technology. Motion controls aren't >_> that's not to say they won't sell because of it, hell it's a fresh idea, I'm sure it'll help sell a ton, but don't consider that the way of the future >_>, just a part of it.

And why the hell is everyone flaming Diometes? He posted a legitimate opinion. Shame on you guys >< I agree that most things in the economical world are fueled by technology. It is a part of it wether you like it or not ><