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mendozahotness said:
Aldro said:
ZaneWane said:
Aldro said:
CGI-Quality said:
ZaneWane said:
Iveyboi said:
Lol you said the same thing about Crysis 2 and that was not the king. Nearly on par with Killzone but not Uncharted level.

GN and many like it say different

Although it's not really important, not too many sites said Crysis 2 was the best looking console game (although a good few did say it was the best looking title on consoles). Some of the sites you're speaking of said it was the best looking FPS, one of the best, or possibly the best looking . Many more said Killzone 3 was the best looking console game overall.

(I know im making a lot of replies here xD)
I second this. There were far more who claimed Killzone 3 to have set the new benchmark. Not to mention those who did comparisons between the two claimed Killzone 3 to be superior and vastly polished.

Just check out lens of truth >_>
http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-killzone-3-vs-crysis-2-analysis/

Check my sig

http://www.tqcast.com/2011/03/19/crysis-2-graphics-what-killzone-3-still-best-lookign-fps/

"There has been lots of talk around the web regarding the Crysis 2 PS3 and Xbox 360 comparison, some say the Xbox 360 version looks better, while others claim that the PS3 is far superior. While it’s great to have these types of arguments right before the game releases, let’s not forget that the truth is…Killzone 3 wipes the floor with the Crysis 2 console screens and remains the best looking FPS on a console this generation. check out the comparison and screens."

 

Gamereactor making the list of the 10 greatest console graphics after Crysis 2 released:
http://www.gamereactor.se/artiklar/26926/V%E4rldens+10+snyggaste+konsolspel/

:')


If thats the calibur of test, this swings it back into crysis' 2 favour again

http://www.vgarabia.com/2011/03/21/crysis-2-vs-killzone-3-the-truth/

But for me, I found myself more amazed by Crysis 2 visuals due to the state of the art visuals, great art style, and varied environments.

electripig

"Crysis 2 is outstanding in almost every department, not least its visuals, which are the very best either PS3 or Xbox 360 has to offer right now"

http://beingnerdy.com/gaming/5-games-that-look-better-than-uncharted-2

"Crysis 2 is the best-looking console/PC game to date."

Also IGN again belives Crysis 2 is the best looking game on consoles

"The first Metro was very pretty. 4A plans to push PC hardware to its limit with Metro: Last Light. It also wants the sequel to be the best-looking game on consoles when it is released (look out, Crysis 2!)"

Eurogamer

"But it is a world whose intricacy and realism will cause you to stop and stare long after the first drop of the jaw. The sway of tree-tops; the spray of a decorative fountain; the flames erupting from a burst gas pipe: incidental details that grab your attention for their quiet, shocking realism. Who knows how Crytek managed to squeeze Cry Engine 3 onto the consoles while maintaining such extraordinary level of detail? But this world sits next to Uncharted 2's as the most detailed and well-expressed yet seen on our TVs."


digital foundry face off


"The crucial thing is that both are phenomenally attractive games, producing effects quite different and
in many ways more advanced than anything we've seen elsewhere on console. We all wanted Crysis on console to be an event, a showcase release: by and large, Crytek has delivered, and those cutting edge visuals are backed by a truly impressive game design."

electripig

"Crysis 2 is outstanding in almost every department, not least its visuals, which are the very best either PS3 or Xbox 360 has to offer right now"


GamesRadar:


"Crysis 2 does run on consoles, and it does so beautifully. We're calling it now: Crysis 2 is possibly the best-looking console game ever."


justpushstart.com


"I find Crysis 2 visuals to be superior to similar shooters like Call of Duty: Black Ops or Killzone 3."


xg247.co.uk


"Crysis 2 is definitely the best looking game on consoles and PC"


denofgeek


"I honestly think that this may well be the single best looking FPS I've ever seen,
on any platform. It really does look that good."

XXLGaming:
"The games visuals were just jaw dropping and I have to agree when Crytek says it is setting the bar in console gaming graphics. Just wow."

joystiq:
Though about the millionth FPS built around a plot of an alien invasion, give or take a few, it's also the most beautiful.

destructoid:
Naturally, the gameplay is all wrapped up with some of the most gorgeous visuals you'll see in a videogame.

gameinformer:
Crytek wisely sticks to the traits that made the first game successful while simultaneously pushing the boundaries of graphical fidelity.

1up:
Crysis 2 is just as visually impressive as its predecessor, even on PS3 and 360.

gamezone:
The game looks utterly stunning and is arguably one of the best-looking shooters on consoles. I'm still undecided whether Crysis 2 looks better than the original game, but the fact that there is a discussion about which looks better speaks volumes on what Crytek was able to accomplish with their engine.

strategyinformer:
Crysis 2 is bloody gorgeous, and by far one of the most polished games we've ever played. Watching the cityscape come crashing down around you in all its HD glory is quite the sight, especially in some of the more open areas midway through the main campaign. Whether you've diving across rooftops or making your way into the heart of an alien hive, it's all jaw-dropping throughout.

gamerevolution:
Somehow the team over at Crytek has found a way to make their sequel just as visually remarkable as the original and without the need to spend a fortune on a fancy new video card and extra RAM (on the console at least)

msxbox-world:
Crysis may have been the benchmark game on PC but for console owners there might be a new kid on the block as Crysis 2 really is a sight to behold.

metro:
Although Crysis 2 swaps an actual jungle for the urban variety, the level of near photorealism remains. Despite the impressive scale the attention to detail is second to none: from hedges that shed leaves as you run through them to the filtering of light through a half-destroyed wall. That all this is running on a middle-aged console, not a state of the art PC, only makes it more impressive.

Gamespy


"Finally, this wouldn't be a Crysis 2 review without some space dedicated to the game's graphics, would it? This is a gorgeous game, certainly one of the best-looking console titles to date"



Gamingbolt stating it's the best looking game on the ps3


"Crysis 2 for the PlayStation 3 is an exceptional shooter and perhaps the best looking game on the system."

It is really interesting though, I read a lot of Uncharted reviews, I read a lot of Killzone 2 reviews, I read a lot of Uncharted 2 reviews, I read a lot of God of War 3 reviews and I read  a lot of Killzone 3 reviews.

Not a single one of those reviews mentioned Crysis 2 at all..., just their predecessors or contempariey games that had been released way before Crysis 2.

On the other hand, all of the above Crysis 2 take into one, or all of of those games. So when they say it's the best looking game on consoles, I know it includes those games.

osamanobama said:

didnt we already go over this 6 month ago when you found out crysis 2 is SD, screen tear, framerate drop nightmare

If SD is the clincher, that's Uncharted 3 out of the game then

Multiplayer runs at 838x358 per player (approx 600,004 pixels vs. the 720p standard of 921,600), confirmed by Digital Foundry

For a split-screen game this is actually 30% lower resolution than Gears of War 1.

Yes, the first one. From 2006. 5 Years ago.

oh geeze.. this again.

please read the link you provided, almost all of them either say its one of the best graphically or the best looking FPS. nearly none of them say it the best graphicall game on console.

and dont now why you bring up Uncharted, its native 720p with AA, locked 30fps, and 0% screen tear. why do you bring up the resolution of split screen multiplayer. do you honestly expect it to be 720p splitscreen, even though thats not possible because there arent enough pixels on a TV.

and if you are using Digital foundry as a trusted source, then why are you claiming Crysis 2 is the best looking, DF made it clear that it wasnt.



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mendozahotness said:
Aldro said:
ZaneWane said:
Aldro said:
CGI-Quality said:
ZaneWane said:
Iveyboi said:
Lol you said the same thing about Crysis 2 and that was not the king. Nearly on par with Killzone but not Uncharted level.

GN and many like it say different

Although it's not really important, not too many sites said Crysis 2 was the best looking console game (although a good few did say it was the best looking title on consoles). Some of the sites you're speaking of said it was the best looking FPS, one of the best, or possibly the best looking . Many more said Killzone 3 was the best looking console game overall.

(I know im making a lot of replies here xD)
I second this. There were far more who claimed Killzone 3 to have set the new benchmark. Not to mention those who did comparisons between the two claimed Killzone 3 to be superior and vastly polished.

Just check out lens of truth >_>
http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-killzone-3-vs-crysis-2-analysis/

Check my sig

http://www.tqcast.com/2011/03/19/crysis-2-graphics-what-killzone-3-still-best-lookign-fps/

"There has been lots of talk around the web regarding the Crysis 2 PS3 and Xbox 360 comparison, some say the Xbox 360 version looks better, while others claim that the PS3 is far superior. While it’s great to have these types of arguments right before the game releases, let’s not forget that the truth is…Killzone 3 wipes the floor with the Crysis 2 console screens and remains the best looking FPS on a console this generation. check out the comparison and screens."

 

Gamereactor making the list of the 10 greatest console graphics after Crysis 2 released:
http://www.gamereactor.se/artiklar/26926/V%E4rldens+10+snyggaste+konsolspel/

:')


If thats the calibur of test, this swings it back into crysis' 2 favour again

http://www.vgarabia.com/2011/03/21/crysis-2-vs-killzone-3-the-truth/

But for me, I found myself more amazed by Crysis 2 visuals due to the state of the art visuals, great art style, and varied environments.

electripig

"Crysis 2 is outstanding in almost every department, not least its visuals, which are the very best either PS3 or Xbox 360 has to offer right now"

http://beingnerdy.com/gaming/5-games-that-look-better-than-uncharted-2

"Crysis 2 is the best-looking console/PC game to date."

Also IGN again belives Crysis 2 is the best looking game on consoles

"The first Metro was very pretty. 4A plans to push PC hardware to its limit with Metro: Last Light. It also wants the sequel to be the best-looking game on consoles when it is released (look out, Crysis 2!)"

Eurogamer

"But it is a world whose intricacy and realism will cause you to stop and stare long after the first drop of the jaw. The sway of tree-tops; the spray of a decorative fountain; the flames erupting from a burst gas pipe: incidental details that grab your attention for their quiet, shocking realism. Who knows how Crytek managed to squeeze Cry Engine 3 onto the consoles while maintaining such extraordinary level of detail? But this world sits next to Uncharted 2's as the most detailed and well-expressed yet seen on our TVs."


digital foundry face off


"The crucial thing is that both are phenomenally attractive games, producing effects quite different and
in many ways more advanced than anything we've seen elsewhere on console. We all wanted Crysis on console to be an event, a showcase release: by and large, Crytek has delivered, and those cutting edge visuals are backed by a truly impressive game design."

electripig

"Crysis 2 is outstanding in almost every department, not least its visuals, which are the very best either PS3 or Xbox 360 has to offer right now"


GamesRadar:


"Crysis 2 does run on consoles, and it does so beautifully. We're calling it now: Crysis 2 is possibly the best-looking console game ever."


justpushstart.com


"I find Crysis 2 visuals to be superior to similar shooters like Call of Duty: Black Ops or Killzone 3."


xg247.co.uk


"Crysis 2 is definitely the best looking game on consoles and PC"


denofgeek


"I honestly think that this may well be the single best looking FPS I've ever seen,
on any platform. It really does look that good."

XXLGaming:
"The games visuals were just jaw dropping and I have to agree when Crytek says it is setting the bar in console gaming graphics. Just wow."

joystiq:
Though about the millionth FPS built around a plot of an alien invasion, give or take a few, it's also the most beautiful.

destructoid:
Naturally, the gameplay is all wrapped up with some of the most gorgeous visuals you'll see in a videogame.

gameinformer:
Crytek wisely sticks to the traits that made the first game successful while simultaneously pushing the boundaries of graphical fidelity.

1up:
Crysis 2 is just as visually impressive as its predecessor, even on PS3 and 360.

gamezone:
The game looks utterly stunning and is arguably one of the best-looking shooters on consoles. I'm still undecided whether Crysis 2 looks better than the original game, but the fact that there is a discussion about which looks better speaks volumes on what Crytek was able to accomplish with their engine.

strategyinformer:
Crysis 2 is bloody gorgeous, and by far one of the most polished games we've ever played. Watching the cityscape come crashing down around you in all its HD glory is quite the sight, especially in some of the more open areas midway through the main campaign. Whether you've diving across rooftops or making your way into the heart of an alien hive, it's all jaw-dropping throughout.

gamerevolution:
Somehow the team over at Crytek has found a way to make their sequel just as visually remarkable as the original and without the need to spend a fortune on a fancy new video card and extra RAM (on the console at least)

msxbox-world:
Crysis may have been the benchmark game on PC but for console owners there might be a new kid on the block as Crysis 2 really is a sight to behold.

metro:
Although Crysis 2 swaps an actual jungle for the urban variety, the level of near photorealism remains. Despite the impressive scale the attention to detail is second to none: from hedges that shed leaves as you run through them to the filtering of light through a half-destroyed wall. That all this is running on a middle-aged console, not a state of the art PC, only makes it more impressive.

Gamespy


"Finally, this wouldn't be a Crysis 2 review without some space dedicated to the game's graphics, would it? This is a gorgeous game, certainly one of the best-looking console titles to date"



Gamingbolt stating it's the best looking game on the ps3


"Crysis 2 for the PlayStation 3 is an exceptional shooter and perhaps the best looking game on the system."

It is really interesting though, I read a lot of Uncharted reviews, I read a lot of Killzone 2 reviews, I read a lot of Uncharted 2 reviews, I read a lot of God of War 3 reviews and I read  a lot of Killzone 3 reviews.

Not a single one of those reviews mentioned Crysis 2 at all..., just their predecessors or contempariey games that had been released way before Crysis 2.

On the other hand, all of the above Crysis 2 take into one, or all of of those games. So when they say it's the best looking game on consoles, I know it includes those games.

osamanobama said:

didnt we already go over this 6 month ago when you found out crysis 2 is SD, screen tear, framerate drop nightmare

If SD is the clincher, that's Uncharted 3 out of the game then

Multiplayer runs at 838x358 per player (approx 600,004 pixels vs. the 720p standard of 921,600), confirmed by Digital Foundry

For a split-screen game this is actually 30% lower resolution than Gears of War 1.

Yes, the first one. From 2006. 5 Years ago.

So much for only five reviewers claiming it was the best looking on consoles



ZaneWane said:
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osamanobama said:
ZaneWane said:
Aldro said:
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Aldro said:
ZaneWane said:
Aldro said:
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Iveyboi said:

IGN and many like it have spoken

IGN :'D, check out MGS4 beating Crysis Warhead in graphic awards
http://bestof.ign.com/2008/overall/11.html

Damn bro! Considering Crysis Warhead being on the PC and without DX 11 -> is far better than Crysis 2..
MGS4 IS GRAPHICALLY BETTER THAN CRYSIS 2!

Ign confirms and so did 30 other sites if my memory serves me right!

My sig does not lie


do you realize only one quote from your sig claims crysis 2 is graphics kings.

and do you realize both Digital Foundry and lens of truth proved killzone  look better.

didnt we already go over this 6 month ago when you found out crysis 2 is SD, screen tear, framerate drop nightmare

IGN and many like it were talking about looks not performance

yeah, i dont really want to get into this so i will be done after this post.

but ign isnt credible at all when it comes to analizing graphics. for example the said Mass effect 2 on ps3 was superior graphically to the xbox version.

also Crysis isnt even 720p. and screen tearing and performance has a ton to do with graphics. Battlefield 3 could probably be 1080p if it wanted to but, very other frame would be torn and it would be runing at 10 fps, with the stupidest AI ever

Again you are talking performance not looks

im talking both they go hand in hand, read my last paragraph.

also read Digital foundry, and find out Crysis 2 resolution and it mediocre temperal AA. this is silly now.



osamanobama said:

please read the link you provided, almost all of them either say its one of the best graphically or the best looking FPS. nearly none of them say it the best graphicall game on console.

electripig

"Crysis 2 is outstanding in almost every department, not least its visuals, which are the very best either PS3 or Xbox 360 has to offer right now"

http://beingnerdy.com/gaming/5-games-that-look-better-than-uncharted-2

"Crysis 2 is the best-looking console/PC game to date."

Also IGN again belives Crysis 2 is the best looking game on consoles

"The first Metro was very pretty. 4A plans to push PC hardware to its limit with Metro: Last Light. It also wants the sequel to be the best-looking game on consoles when it is released (look out, Crysis 2!)"
 

 xg247.co.uk

"Crysis 2 is definitely the best looking game on consoles and PC"


denofgeek


"I honestly think that this may well be the single best looking FPS I've ever seen,
on any platform. It really does look that good."

XXLGaming:
"The games visuals were just jaw dropping and I have to agree when Crytek says it is setting the bar in console gaming graphics. Just wow."

joystiq:
Though about the millionth FPS built around a plot of an alien invasion, give or take a few, it's also the most beautiful.

gameinformer:
Crytek wisely sticks to the traits that made the first game successful while simultaneously pushing the boundaries of graphical fidelity.

1up:
Crysis 2 is just as visually impressive as its predecessor, even on PS3 and 360.

gamerevolution:
Somehow the team over at Crytek has found a way to make their sequel just as visually remarkable as the original and without the need to spend a fortune on a fancy new video card and extra RAM (on the console at least)

I got 10 saying it's the (very) best and 3 or 4 saying it's as impressive as the PC original (unless you want to argue KZ2 looks better than Crysis 1? XD). 1 that says it's the best looking shooter and another flat out saying it looks better than KZ3. So i'd say 15 in it's favour over KZ3

There are no reviews saying KZ3 looks better, only better than KZ2, setting a new benchmark (pre-C2 obviously) or "one of the best". There's one lolworthy comparison by VGC associate LoT based on 2 things - Framerate and Resolution- That's it.

15:1 is pretty final

osamanobama said:

and dont now why you bring up Uncharted, its native 720p with AA, locked 30fps, and 0% screen tear. why do you bring up the resolution of split screen multiplayer. do you honestly expect it to be 720p splitscreen, even though thats not possible because there arent enough pixels on a TV.

Um, I just posted a 720p game that supports splitscreen, it's 5 years old. Both its sequels support it too.  2x 640x720p images fills an entire 720p image. Simples. . It is possible, just not possible in Uncharted apparently...Maybe next gen.and i'd serious check some fraps vids for what you called "locked" 30fps, it drops from 30fps to as low as 24-26fps when stressed.

osamanobama said:

and if you are using Digital foundry as a trusted source, then why are you claiming Crysis 2 is the best looking, DF made it clear that it wasnt.

They said no such thing, they said: "The crucial thing is that both are phenomenally attractive games, producing effects quite different and in many ways more advanced than anything we've seen elsewhere on console. We all wanted Crysis on console to be an event, a showcase release: by and large, Crytek has delivered, and those cutting edge visuals are backed by a truly impressive game design."

DF have never compared Crysis 2 to Killzone 3 except in referential in regards to 3D methods. 

Now I would think that being "in many ways more advanced than anything we've seen elsewhere on console" (this includes KZ3 and all games preceding it) and "cutting edge" as pretty high praise, given KZ3 had barely been out a month. It certainly doesn't lend itself to them making it clear that it wasn't the best looking.



mendozahotness said:

Um, I just posted a 720p game that supports splitscreen, it's 5 years old. Both its sequels support it too.  2x 640x720p images fills an entire 720p image. Simples. . It is possible, just not possible in Uncharted apparently...Maybe next gen.and i'd serious check some fraps vids for what you called "locked" 30fps, it drops from 30fps to as low as 24-26fps when stressed.

 

2x 640x720p ??

Hum... So let's take a look at this.  640 is the horizontal resolution and 720 the vertical. We good so far?

So... since both screens are on top of each others, you do this math: 720 + 720 = 1440.  So the game renders more line than what your 1080p screen can display?

What more, it renders more lines in split screen than it does in single player (which is 720p)?  

What are you smoking?

 

Now, just so you know, 358 x 2 = 716 (the resolution of Uncharted 3's splitscreen mode).  That's a much more realistic number if you expect the game to roughly fill a 720p screen in splitscreen.  But the nail in the coffin is the actual difference between the resolution of both games in splitscreen: Uncharted 3 at 838x358 per players compared to Gears of War with 640 x 360 (360 = 720/2) [based on the numbers you provided without source] ...

Uncharted 3's actual rendered pixels: 838 x (358 x 2) = 600008 ...

Gears of War's actual rendered pixels: 640 x (360 x 2) = 460800.

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Although I am glad this thread is going well. And to the most part pretty civil, I would like to add comments about the Crysis 2 thing.

Currently based off of the 20 or so websites that claim its the best looking console game etc etc.
It's easy to show reviews from games out before Crysis 2 released and say those games have x,y,z said in the review that makes them the best. But they were never compared to Crysis 2 because it wasnt out then. However considering Crysis 2 is compared to all those games before it and handily beat it across loads of reviews has to make people who care what reviews say is the best take notice.

As for DF, they at no time claimed KZ3 was better graphically. Where people are getting that from is beyond me.
As already pointed out in this thread DF actually claim that Crysis 2 is using effects unseen elsewhere on consoles which obviously includes KZ3. It's doing things technically no other console game before it is/was doing. You can argue that KZ3 performs at a better frequent FPS or has a higher res. But DF do mention Crysis 2's technical accomplishments were much higher than just aiming at 720p. They make it clear it has much larger environments and better effects.

This said thats why DF conclude that Crysis 2 is at the cutting edge of console visuals. Thats there words.

However you view any of the comments around the web is up to you. What I think is niether gonna change someones mind or make me right or you right.

What is a certain is the fact that there is a discussion goes to show Crysis 2 certainly has the attention of being top graphics currently.

Interestingly devs view Crysis 2 as the current cream of the crop.

4A has said they would like to beat Crysis 2 on consoles in the graphics department.

Do I think it will hold out and win this year?

No.

BF3 is looking to good imo. That gif of the window blowing out looks awesome slowed down. And to think those level of effects are capable on a 5 year old 360 for me is great news.

Carry on.



i hate to burst your bubble but crysis 2 wasn't even a good game and yes it's a beautiful game.. but it's no battlefield or uncharted

anyways battlefield 3 is looking amazing :D but right now im edging towards uncharted but battlefield 3 will rule the pc system no doubt about it!



selnor said:

As for DF, they at no time claimed KZ3 was better graphically. Where people are getting that from is beyond me.
As already pointed out in this thread DF actually claim that Crysis 2 is using effects unseen elsewhere on consoles which obviously includes KZ3. It's doing things technically no other console game before it is/was doing. You can argue that KZ3 performs at a better frequent FPS or has a higher res. But DF do mention Crysis 2's technical accomplishments were much higher than just aiming at 720p. They make it clear it has much larger environments and better effects.

This said thats why DF conclude that Crysis 2 is at the cutting edge of console visuals. Thats there words.

However you view any of the comments around the web is up to you. What I think is niether gonna change someones mind or make me right or you right.

What is a certain is the fact that there is a discussion goes to show Crysis 2 certainly has the attention of being top graphics currently.

Interestingly devs view Crysis 2 as the current cream of the crop.

4A has said they would like to beat Crysis 2 on consoles in the graphics department.

I could really tackle this and correct some errors, but this argument was really in trouble from the minute the topic was derailed so I'll move on to my next piece.

You still have not answered my earlier question: I thought graphics were "null and void" and "you didn't care anymore"? Why now does all that go out the window?



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:

As for DF, they at no time claimed KZ3 was better graphically. Where people are getting that from is beyond me.
As already pointed out in this thread DF actually claim that Crysis 2 is using effects unseen elsewhere on consoles which obviously includes KZ3. It's doing things technically no other console game before it is/was doing. You can argue that KZ3 performs at a better frequent FPS or has a higher res. But DF do mention Crysis 2's technical accomplishments were much higher than just aiming at 720p. They make it clear it has much larger environments and better effects.

This said thats why DF conclude that Crysis 2 is at the cutting edge of console visuals. Thats there words.

However you view any of the comments around the web is up to you. What I think is niether gonna change someones mind or make me right or you right.

What is a certain is the fact that there is a discussion goes to show Crysis 2 certainly has the attention of being top graphics currently.

Interestingly devs view Crysis 2 as the current cream of the crop.

4A has said they would like to beat Crysis 2 on consoles in the graphics department.

I could really tackle this and correct some errors, but this argument was really in trouble from the minute the topic was derailed so I'll move on to my next piece.

You still have not answered my earlier question: I though graphics were "null and void" and "you didn't care anymore"? Why now does all that go out the window? I have my opinions on it but I'm just curious.

Because we're not talking about a PS3 exclusive...



CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:

As for DF, they at no time claimed KZ3 was better graphically. Where people are getting that from is beyond me.
As already pointed out in this thread DF actually claim that Crysis 2 is using effects unseen elsewhere on consoles which obviously includes KZ3. It's doing things technically no other console game before it is/was doing. You can argue that KZ3 performs at a better frequent FPS or has a higher res. But DF do mention Crysis 2's technical accomplishments were much higher than just aiming at 720p. They make it clear it has much larger environments and better effects.

This said thats why DF conclude that Crysis 2 is at the cutting edge of console visuals. Thats there words.

However you view any of the comments around the web is up to you. What I think is niether gonna change someones mind or make me right or you right.

What is a certain is the fact that there is a discussion goes to show Crysis 2 certainly has the attention of being top graphics currently.

Interestingly devs view Crysis 2 as the current cream of the crop.

4A has said they would like to beat Crysis 2 on consoles in the graphics department.

I could really tackle this and correct some errors, but this argument was really in trouble from the minute the topic was derailed so I'll move on to my next piece.

You still have not answered my earlier question: I thought graphics were "null and void" and "you didn't care anymore"? Why now does all that go out the window?

Because it's footage of the Xbox 360 version now.