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It is also the same reason Doom3 never was meant to apeal to people like you who mock doom3. That is why it is hardcore.

You wanna see a hardcore game. Get X3. That is hardcore. If it is not. Nothing comes NEAR hardcore. 

Well, what makes a game hardcore? This is one of those things that is highly subjective ...

There are people who are "Hardcore" 2D gamers who consider games like Viewtiful Joe hard-core because only an extreme gamer can complete the challenge of the game ...

In World of Warcraft the term is widely used to seperate End-Game Raiders from the "Casual" masses ...

In "Old-School" gamers a "Hardcore" game is a game which was fantastic that few people ever played ...

Please explain what makes your definition better than someone elses?

I was trying to edit my post, but something got screwed and double posted. Can you delete a post?

Maybe you shouldn't assume such things. I've played through Doom 3 and beat it. It was mediocre at best. I guarantee that I have played more hours of FPSs than you have. Where was I mocking Doom 3? Please read my post again. I gave you a synopsis of the Doom 3's gameplay, along with a Mario game.

Are you going to answer my question?

People are proclaiming it's over because they want Sony to lose because they're a bit of a bully, while they want Nintendo to win because they're the underdog. Way too early to know how either console will do long-term. Nintendo's done an excellent job closing the gap on Microsoft, yet for some reason, their 1 million unit lead in each territory is something that Sony will never be able to overcome no matter what. With 360, I think we can have a realistic idea, but Sony's just moved their first shipment in Europe, so I don't see where it's logical to assume anything. That said, the speed with which Sony can get the price drops out there may be the most critical factor in these console wars. I don't know that Nintendo's necessarily stronger than they were a generation ago. Their franchises have nosedived if they're even being utilized at all, though they are still quite strong, and they've lost pretty much all second party support to the competition. Sony's had strong first and second party support since the original PlayStation. Whether they're putting more focus into this is debateable, but I don't see how it's a sign of weakness. People are moving to HD, as evidenced by Sony's profit on Bravia, though I still don't consider blu-ray justifiable, but I can certainly see where Sony would.

So......

So.................so...insightful

Your elegant words and proweress with linguistical talons tear at my razor sharp opinions(which is heinously used to cut children and small animals in the face) and you emasculate all with your devishly looking metrosexual banner

You MUST be right !

All this time..... is a waste..........

 lmao

 it has barely begun.

Hus! I figured out your Real Name! Could it be...... CHAD WARDEN?

Sorry, I couldn't resist

I find the discussion about "hard core" to be interesting. Does "hardcore" mean hard to play, or does hardcore mean something that appeals to a core audience?

I personally don't consider Sonic to be a hardcore game, as I believe it to be more of an entry level game (much like Wii sports or the original Mario for the NES) that introduces a person to a console.

I'd say something like Metal Gear, Resident Evil, or Splinter Cell would be "hard core" franchises, only because of the reason that there's a certain story continuity you need to know in order to understand what's going on. For example, a person new to gaming probably wouldn't pick up MGS4, just because he hasn't played Metal Gear Solids 1, 2 or 3.

You can make the same arguments with Mario or Sonic, but those games don't rely too much on storylines and can basically be played without any knowledge of any of the previous games.

I think definition of hardcore depends on the target. We could make two kinds of definition for hardcore gamers: 1. Those who play a lot. 2. Those who spend all of their money in gaming. And for games we could define as hardcore the games that: 1. Get people to play a lot. 2. Needs to be played a lot. And then theres the core audience games, in which: 1. You need to know something from the game before you play it, to get the full experience. 2. Games that aren't easy to approach. From those groups people usually pick the games that they want to call hardcore. For example Nintendogs is really a hardcore game, but it isn't a core audience game. EA sports games aren't core audience games and neither hardcore. Zelda is hardcore for core audience, yet easy to approach. Halo is hardcore for core gamers. And i do understand what kwaad was meaning by Mario and Sonic being non-hardcore, they are easy to approach. About PS3, people see it as it failed, because it sold 50% from the amount, that Sony was expecting. It will propably will live until PS4 comes out, but it dies quickly after that. Difference between PSX, PS2 and PS3 is, that Sony made profit with X and 2. So it was easy to drop prices without worrying about profits. Now it's not making profit and price is much higher than before. And besides that, it also doesn't sell as expected.

http://www.ps3center.net/story-389.html

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Analysts in Japan are currently pushing for a price cut on the Sony PlayStation 3 console. The price cut could allow Sony to gain ground on both Microsoft and Nintendo with their Xbox 360 and Wii platforms which has a much larger installed user base than that of Sony. Japanese analyst Nomura stating at this point that Sony has only sold about half the consoles it has shipped out thus far. Sony has shipped 6 million PlayStation 3 units to date meaning that the sales of the console are only at around 3 million. This is a respectable number but not the market penetration Sony and its shareholders were looking for this generation following the immense popularity of the PlayStation 2.



he analysts stated that "We do not see the necessary drawing power in the title pipeline at this point," said analyst Eiichi Katayama. "We expect Sony to take measures to increase market penetration of PS3 hardware, including extending the software line-up, and expect to review our medium-term estimates for the game segment if and when such measures come into view." The PlayStation brand will always have drawing power to a great extent but at what price the consumer is willing to pay for that brand is being put into question here. It seems that Japanese analysts think a lower price point will help the PlayStation 3 reach the market penetration they desire."

Seems as if they have shipped 6 million. That seems to be in line because before the european launch I could have sworn I read that they shipped 4 million at the begining of that month.

 because they are good games.