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mancandy said:

Hus said:

I walk in to future shop, one guy tells me 360 is the best it has Halo the other two are a joke, 2nd dude says wii is half price of the other so i shoule get it.. other dude tells me PS3 has best games and Br its the best buy.... its people and their opinion.

3rd partys are actually only making a little dash, wii very dangerous. Their best games wont work on wiis weak hardware so they get stuck competeting with Nin and miyamoto... = mediocre sales for 3rd party.

most 3rd partys will make PS3/360/PC games then PS2/Wii games... PS3 has ALLthe killer apps, saying other wise you shows you know nothing and are a delusinoal kiddy fan.

best racing

best action

best rpg

best stealth

all on PS3, half the killer apps are PS3 ONLY.

Software dives hardware, and PS3 has the best software coming.


They're coming? I thought March was when the PS3 was going to dominate. What happened with that? I guess VGC is a bunch of know nothing delusional kiddy fans since they are reporting that the PS3 do not have any killer apps. The killer apps seem to be on the PS2, DS and the Wii.

So many best games are in the horizon for the PS3. I think I will just go my Wii, DS or PS2 and play them now.


over a million PS3s sold in march, is that not dominating ?

 



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Hus said:

 


over a million PS3s sold in march, is that not dominating ?

 


Being that the Wii and DS both surpassed a Million in the month of March, and that in April the PS3 will sell far fewer units, it is fair to say that it is not dominating.



Do bundles really increase sales? Here in america I see them as somewhat of a burden. how are bundles viewed elsewhere?



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If a console has a low supply, retailers will bundle it with other things at a high price in order to make more money.

If a console has a low demand, retailers will bundle it with other things at a low price in order to make more money.

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Imo Sony should

1. Offer free online content. Free downloads of PS1 games, like in a similar way that nintendo is doing for the wii.  The thing of it is that these online games aren't going to be bringing in much $$$ at all.  Gamers don't want to pay for old games, even $5.  Why not just offer them free to increase the value of the PS3?

2. Make it mandatory that every PS3 game have online content, unless it would mess the game up ( FF13). Do whaever it is necessary to be the standard for online content.

3. Sponsor a discount for blu-ray players, so that it will win Europe.

4. Drop the price of the PS3 by $100.

 

 



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So if these sales are within sony's expectations then how is it a precursor to the PS3's failure?

This is all I'm going to comment on.

IF these sales were within Sony's expectations, all would be fine... But, they're not. Sony wanted to get 6 million systems out by the end of March... They probably got about 4.5 million out... They didn't release their expectation of sell-through, but we can assume that they wanted it to be higher than 50%... They wouldn't be planning on shipping 6 million units if they thought demand would be around 3 million units. And it appears they won't get to 6 million until the fall.

Comments like "we could sell 5 million systems with no games" I think confirms my argument. Sony's sales are WAY below their expectations.

Now, if sales were way below their expectations, what would they do? Cost reduce. Like say, cut the lower-priced SKU, cut out non-essential parts like the PS2 chips, and talk about releasing a model with a larger HDD (presumably for more money).



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

ps3 is selling well; soon with HS, LITTLE BIG PLANET, LAIR, AFRIKA, MGS4, FF... "HOME"......etc

it will sell better than wii or 360. it isn't very hard to understand......is it?



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this is the reason why the ps3 wont fail.. this forum discussion right here.. anyone notice how everyone jumps to talk about sony good or bad? i can start an xbox 360 forum right now... no one will care.... everyone points out all of sonys faults but they never do it with the wii or 360... theres a  forum on this website right now about how sony might introduce another version of the ps3 with a bigger harddrive.. people bitchin about it or whatever.. HELLO microsoft already has 3!!! and everyone already knows that nintendo is gonna release a dvd capable wii in a few years.. the point is that sony makes the news... everyone is tuned in when it comes to sony... Dont lie to yourself ..everyone is... for its price the ps3 is doing fine... its only being outsold by the 360 by about 100k every month in the states.. im no expert but thats not bad at all considering it has no killer apps yet.. or price drop..or the online service isnt even in full effect yet..and you can compare sales numbers to the wii if you want to but the wii is supposed to be outselling the p3.. price and its something different ..thats why ... the only letdown the ps3 has right now is japan...the dreamcast was forgotten the saturn was forgotten and even the gamecube was forgotten but do you honestly think you can forget the sony name brand??  but come on everyone keep addin fuel to  the fire it only makes it bigger



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staticneuron said:

The technique is not as old as bump mapping. It was a new frame of thinking applied on a old way of doing things, instead of black and white textures to define depth now it is based off an RGB texture. Dot3 bump mapping used to be very limited in use. For games you would see early examples in far cray and such but now almost every game uses it.

It's sort of like how we've been racing cars for a long time but drift racing has gotten more mainstream nowadays. Drift techniques has been said to be done as far back as the 60's but the shows, games, and proffessional races didn't come around until more recently.

And I understand you louie. It is a matter of taste but let us not forget games like legend of dragoon, arc the lad, god of war, gran turismo, the getaway, sly cooper, jax and daxter and the numerous title's from sony that has gotten very high ratings and garnered their own fans. The 20 best selling games of all time has a whopping 13 titles that were brought forth by nintendo the rest are sony titles. You can attribute most for nintendo's long life in the industry and thier handheld dominance for years. So nintendo is without a doubt great but sony has held their own without an emphasis on first party titles. Now that the tide is starting to turn I wonder what is going to happen to the quality of sony games. I consider them good but there is probably room for them to get better.

 


According to wikipedia's list of top 20 selling games of all time, 13 of them are Nintendo. However, only 3 Sony published games are on the list, and those are all Gran Turismo. Indeed, looking at the top selling PS2 games and only a handful are published by Sony. Again, this is wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt, however these statistics are hardly good for Sony.

 

Some of the titles you listed are critically acclaimed, others are not (the getaway). Many of those games did not do monumental sales, although thats not to say they weren't decent sellers. However, given that they did not move mountains then it's hard to see how your argument holds water, that is taking average sellers and turning them into multimillion system mover is very difficult, regardless of the resources available. Again, this is no different than the position Nintendo was in with the GameCube, although they had a far bigger and robust 1st party support. It's just that the PS brand has subsided off of third party titles for the past two generations and this paradigm shift in their business tactics flys in the face of what has made them sucessful.

 

Now I will conceed that third party titles are going multiplatform at an alarming rate, thus Sonys strategy of emphasis on first party games is not illfounded. However, I do not beleive the strength of these titles is enough to carry the PSTriple alone, especially when you take the exorbitant cost into account.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

I can't really say that Sony is in trouble as much as I can say 360 has been out a year and the Wii is selling-slick. I mean what were the numbers for the 360 this time last year? I think that the PS3 may do better in the long run because it has been suggested that its hardware, on the horse power side, has the potential to stay on the market longer that the Wii or the 360.

Don't get me wrong I am a Nintendo fanboy... I have only owned Nintendo- but I know I hated it when everyone was forecasting death to Nintendo last Gen. so I want to be fair and impartial rather that vengeful.