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Forums - Sony Discussion - Anonymous Explains why they hacked Ps3. April 21/22 2011

NoCtiS_NoX said:

read this on gaf and credit to: brucewaynegretzky

And  think he have great points.


Ok reading this thread is making my head explode. It's particularly painful because I'm studying for a copyright final right now. People are sitting here screaming "consumer rights" at the top of their lungs. Sony was exercising part of their copyright over the PS3 OS. The point here is NOT that Sony "owns" your PS3. The point is that as the "authors" of the system they are entitled to specific rights. The purpose of these rights is to create a system where people are incentivized to create new things. If people were allowed to create copies, hack their systems, etc. it would not be worth it for companies like Sony or Microsoft to create new systems because piracy would steal from their profits. In this particular case the right Sony was exercising was the right to prevent people from circumventing their security measures in order to allow people to create unlawful copies. Sony does not claim to "own" any part of your PS3. They do however, have certain rights in dictating how you use it. Artists have some similar rights over their works, even after they've been sold. There are certain uses protected, but you are NOT allowed to distribute the types of things GeoHot did. You can't circumvent security measures. It's an economic incentive. Another software example: If you're a small game developer why would you ever create a PC game with no DRM? The reason is because it'll be copied in 2 seconds and you would never make a dime. This is why the security measures are protected. So go ahead, keep playing with your systems. The point here is that Sony can prevent certain uses in order to maintain a system where it makes sense for them to make new consoles.

I love how he states The purpose of these rights is to create a system where people are incentivized to create new things, then says you have no right. Notice how screwed up the argument is? How are you supposed to create new things if you can't modify your product? that kills innovation!!!! Its why copywrong needs to be thrown the f**k out.

Also the DRM argument is false...



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I personaly don't care what they do to sony, never liked the company and my PS3 YLOD'ed i won't be recieving my new one i ordered till the beginning of may so PSN being down those days didn't effect me i was on Steam/Live ahahaha!



NoCtiS_NoX said:

read this on gaf and credit to: brucewaynegretzky

And  think he have great points.


Ok reading this thread is making my head explode. It's particularly painful because I'm studying for a copyright final right now. People are sitting here screaming "consumer rights" at the top of their lungs. Sony was exercising part of their copyright over the PS3 OS. The point here is NOT that Sony "owns" your PS3. The point is that as the "authors" of the system they are entitled to specific rights. The purpose of these rights is to create a system where people are incentivized to create new things. If people were allowed to create copies, hack their systems, etc. it would not be worth it for companies like Sony or Microsoft to create new systems because piracy would steal from their profits. In this particular case the right Sony was exercising was the right to prevent people from circumventing their security measures in order to allow people to create unlawful copies. Sony does not claim to "own" any part of your PS3. They do however, have certain rights in dictating how you use it. Artists have some similar rights over their works, even after they've been sold. There are certain uses protected, but you are NOT allowed to distribute the types of things GeoHot did. You can't circumvent security measures. It's an economic incentive. Another software example: If you're a small game developer why would you ever create a PC game with no DRM? The reason is because it'll be copied in 2 seconds and you would never make a dime. This is why the security measures are protected. So go ahead, keep playing with your systems. The point here is that Sony can prevent certain uses in order to maintain a system where it makes sense for them to make new consoles.


Thank you for this. Excellently stated sir.



ssj12 said:
Wagram said:
SmokedHostage said:

I hope they keep the PSN down for quite some time.

Is it so wrong to be wanting to see Sony burn?

So you want the other 49.5M people with PS3s to suffer too? Anonymous is a bunch of jackasses.

I'm not mad at Sony and i'll be sure to set my friends straight if they think this is Sonys fault.

Its entirely Sony's fault.

If ssj12 is a writer for this website as it suggests under his avatar, i hope he gets fired.

Is it so wrong to be wanting to see ssj12 burn?

EDIT: This post has been moderated for flaming. -d1



Hellstrom said:

 

I personaly don't care what they do to sony, never liked the company and my PS3 YLOD'ed i won't be recieving my new one i ordered till the beginning of may so PSN being down those days didn't effect me i was on Steam/Live ahahaha!


Wow that's selfish? And if you never liked Sony then why'd you order another ps3?



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So they're the reason for the new systems?  Amazing!!!!!! So anonymous is the reason we're getting PS4,Xbox 720 and the Wii2? Wow Anonymous is perfect! Ok so if i mess around with my car i can make a jet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks ssj12! 





"We don't always hack sites but when we do, we prefer Sony"-Anonymous

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Xenostar said:
ssj12 said:
Wagram said:
SmokedHostage said:

I hope they keep the PSN down for quite some time.

Is it so wrong to be wanting to see Sony burn?


So you want the other 49.5M people with PS3s to suffer too? Anonymous is a bunch of jackasses.

I'm not mad at Sony and i'll be sure to set my friends straight if they think this is Sonys fault.

Its entirely Sony's fault.

If ssj12 is a writer for this website as it suggests under his avatar, i hope he gets fired.


Is it so wrong to be wanting to see ssj12 burn?


Is it wrong for me to have my own opinions?

edit:

why don't you look at a realistic picture here. Sony is basically saying you do not really control your console, and if you do mess with it and tell others about it, you will be sued. This completely goes against the basics of freedom of information. Information is supposed to be free, and what the USA's founding fathers wanted. Copyright laws go completely against what this country was founded for.



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Kamiyama said:

So they're the reason for the new systems?  Amazing!!!!!! So anonymous is the reason we're getting PS4,Xbox 720 and the Wii2? Wow Anonymous is perfect! Ok so if i mess around with my car i can make a jet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks ssj12! 




truthfully, I see no issue with that, if you can make yourself a flying jet car all the power to you. If that is what you dream of doing, no one should be able to stop you, only you can stop you. Follow your goal till the end.



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pitzy272 said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

read this on gaf and credit to: brucewaynegretzky

And  think he have great points.


Ok reading this thread is making my head explode. It's particularly painful because I'm studying for a copyright final right now. People are sitting here screaming "consumer rights" at the top of their lungs. Sony was exercising part of their copyright over the PS3 OS. The point here is NOT that Sony "owns" your PS3. The point is that as the "authors" of the system they are entitled to specific rights. The purpose of these rights is to create a system where people are incentivized to create new things. If people were allowed to create copies, hack their systems, etc. it would not be worth it for companies like Sony or Microsoft to create new systems because piracy would steal from their profits. In this particular case the right Sony was exercising was the right to prevent people from circumventing their security measures in order to allow people to create unlawful copies. Sony does not claim to "own" any part of your PS3. They do however, have certain rights in dictating how you use it. Artists have some similar rights over their works, even after they've been sold. There are certain uses protected, but you are NOT allowed to distribute the types of things GeoHot did. You can't circumvent security measures. It's an economic incentive. Another software example: If you're a small game developer why would you ever create a PC game with no DRM? The reason is because it'll be copied in 2 seconds and you would never make a dime. This is why the security measures are protected. So go ahead, keep playing with your systems. The point here is that Sony can prevent certain uses in order to maintain a system where it makes sense for them to make new consoles.


Thank the Lord for this. Beautifully stated sir.

It's not me who wrote this. I won't take any credit from this.

@ SSJ 

Innovation?! Where is the innovation PSN being down for days?

Copyright to be thrown out!? That's just silly Then what's the point of becoming a writer, a novelist, a developer of games and etc. if anyone can just legally distribute anything and copy anything? 



Dr.Grass said:

Does anyone want to start an online petition saying: ''Screw anon'' or something!? Maybe a facebook group or so? I'll be happy to join...


I'll sign. It's time to put Anon away.