The Dreamcast also only sold 10 million units. Of course the attatch rate is going to be high and of course no one is going to pirate on a console that no one owns or cares about.

You never mentioned Geohotz hand in piracy, neither have I..... what?

Also, if you could provide a non biased source that says that piracy has no harmful effect, please do, because the majority of the articles that I've been shown has been of stats based around the pirates themselves (who I'm guessing will lie when asked), made by the torrent sites (who obviously have an agenda) or are articles without a enough proof to back up their claim. A 500 person poll from Polan isn't a convincing argument when you have game developers, publishers and manufacturers putting money and time into fixing a situation that they, for some odd reason, believes exists.

Once again, specify the point I'm not replying to, because I'm legitamatily confused. The last post which involved you was about gun analogies. I even went back and read our posts and we barely said a few paragraphs to each other and that was like two pages ago.

I should have said PC. Thanks for the link.

Edit: It's getting late and I should go to bed, you can reply if you want and I'll probably be able to post back sometime tomorrow. Sorry.

Wow this is turning into an all out war.

Dreamcast's attach rate was high COMPAIRED TO OTHER SYSTEMS AT THE SAME TIME.

Seriously, you can look up the numbers right here on this website.

The gun analogies point, was the point by the way, it basically disproved the arguement that your trying to make here... and yet you keep trying to argue it.  Making the next point, kinda pointless but oh well.

As for the research studies.  You do realize they don't actually ask pirates right, they track all this data scientificially?

Torrent sites don't make the research.. they report on them.  These are all government and university studies... and they all say "Piracy has no effect, mild positive effect"  except for one which says "Can't tell".

Any articles you read from torrent sites likely were completely valid.

I guess this is the part where we call SONY the bullies...

OT: I can use the sites just fine.

It reminds me of those epsiodes of law and order where the criminal looks like he's going to get off and then somebody comes out of nowhere to shoot the guy.

It's not justified, but at the same time you don't feel bad.

A computer is a programmable machine designed to sequentially and automatically carry out a sequence of arithmetic or logical operations. The particular sequence of operations can be changed readily, allowing the computer to solve more than one kind of problem.

Conventionally a computer consists of some form of memory for data storage, at least one element that carries out arithmetic and logic operations, and a sequencing and control element that can change the order of operations based on the information that is stored. Peripheral devices allow information to be entered from external source, and allow the results of operations to be sent out.

The PS3 is a computer. Any state machine that allows binary arithmetic is a computer. Sorry t burst your bubble, but whether Sony or you say it's not a computer, the courts will have a completely different take on it.

The solution to piracy isn't prosecution. The solution is to find a better business model. The music industry tried the prosecution route. It didn't turn out so great for them.

It does matter, since those who never experience the problems would never be affected. And how do you know that the majority aren't willing to allow a little interruption for their rights to modify their console and stil use the online service?

There may be some here arguing for Anon wh don't have a PS3 but keep in mind that this court ruling against GeoHot will affect all similar electronics devices. i could also state that I've been to several other sites covering this news, with little to no support for Sony at all. The only two places I've seen with major fanboy butthurt is here and Sony's forums.

So yeah, Sony should be mmune from consumer backlash? They shouldnt have to waste the money on proper security for their online service, even though their competitors already have, and shown that it works? Should Sony be allowed to waste taxpayer's money using the courts as their lapdogs to enforce security on their system that they were too lazy to do the proper way? That IS pathetic, and you know it!

You didnt get it. All the laws that "restrict" internet are already there. The same laws that apply to you every where else. Distributing others material, making death threat, frauding people, doesnt have a damn thing to do with free speech. Anyway, free speech is permitted outside the internet. (unless your country doesnt allow free speech)

But your reason to add internet controls was to track hackers who protest corporate rape. That's the equivalent of following individual protestors back to their home and arresting them. They're easier to control when you deal with them one at a time, right?

Don't make me laugh about free speech outside of the internet. Both sides of your policital spectrum are wholly owned subsidiaries of corporate interest, the news is nothing more than bought-out opinion, phones are being tapped, real journalism is being pursued for imprisonment, and while you can have a say on things, your life can be made a living hell from it.

You're not living in a democracy. You're living in a corporate oligarchy, where the wealthy are the only ones with the REAL free speech, and your free speech consists of such decisions as "paper or plastic?"