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Will Sony sticks its penis in the hornet's nest?

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leatherhat on 04 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law.

Are we talking about the Geohotz case? Because they are only going after him for distribution. 


Not true actually.  I'd suggest reading the charges against him.


Everything I've read talks only about distributing the hack. Care to enlighten me?



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kcoward on 04 April 2011
Euphoria14 said:
kcoward said:
Euphoria14 said:
kcoward said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
kcoward said:
Cunning_Linguist said:

What about my rights as a consumer to be able to use a service that fecktards with no jobs spend their lives trying to ruin. Fuck Anon! Fuck them in the arse until they get hemorrhoids that then burst and get infected and they need rectalplasties.

What about all the people that paid $600 to use Other OS on their system only for Sony to take out the feature for the sole purpose of their own greed?


My heart goes out to all seven of them


Let us hope that you don't end up in the minority about something and watch as everyone shits on you as if you're thoughts on the matter mean nothing.


Perhaps I wasn't sympathetic enough, but how does it make you feel that they are going to do these attacks in your name?


Am I going to get a record for it? Am I going to be charged?

If not, I simply don't care. I just want Sony to lose this court case and my consumer rights to remain in tact. PSN or video games aren't that important.

Video games are important to me but I am not going to sacrifice the freedom of doing what i want with a product i spent with my hard earned money.


Then you are on the same boat as me. 

Plus, I am a RPG gamer. Online means little to me.

 

By the way, PSN isn't going to die if Sony loses this case. Only thing that happens if Sony loses this case is that things remain the way they are, which is the way it has been since... forever.

I think people are getting paranoid about piracy and hacking. XBox360 has been hacked forever and people still seem to prefer it over PSN.x

I agree. The wii also has the most pirates of the 3 consoles yet Nintendo sell the most hardware and software.


Black Ops also sold more than MW2 and was also pirated less!

Meaning that it is possible that some who pirated MW2 enjoyed it and ended up buying Black Ops.

 

As I have always said and will continue to say, "The effects of piracy are incredibly overblown" and gamers need to wake up.

This argument didn't matter at all until PS3 got hacked and to be honest it only adds fuel to the fire about PS3 fans being the worst. They are the only ones getting bent out of shape about piracy while at the same time witnessing that the big pirated consoles sell more software!

I strongly agree with you about the PS3 fans. Youtube is infested with them.



Kasz216 on 04 April 2011
Euphoria14 said:
kcoward said:
Euphoria14 said:
kcoward said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
kcoward said:
Cunning_Linguist said:

What about my rights as a consumer to be able to use a service that fecktards with no jobs spend their lives trying to ruin. Fuck Anon! Fuck them in the arse until they get hemorrhoids that then burst and get infected and they need rectalplasties.

What about all the people that paid $600 to use Other OS on their system only for Sony to take out the feature for the sole purpose of their own greed?


My heart goes out to all seven of them


Let us hope that you don't end up in the minority about something and watch as everyone shits on you as if you're thoughts on the matter mean nothing.


Perhaps I wasn't sympathetic enough, but how does it make you feel that they are going to do these attacks in your name?


Am I going to get a record for it? Am I going to be charged?

If not, I simply don't care. I just want Sony to lose this court case and my consumer rights to remain in tact. PSN or video games aren't that important.

Video games are important to me but I am not going to sacrifice the freedom of doing what i want with a product i spent with my hard earned money.


Then you are on the same boat as me. 

Plus, I am a RPG gamer. Online means little to me.

 

By the way, PSN isn't going to die if Sony loses this case. Only thing that happens if Sony loses this case is that things remain the way they are, which is the way it has been since... forever.

I think people are getting paranoid about piracy and hacking. XBox360 has been hacked forever and people still seem to prefer it over PSN.x

I agree. The wii also has the most pirates of the 3 consoles yet Nintendo sell the most hardware and software.


Black Ops also sold more than MW2 and was also pirated less!

Meaning that it is possible that some who pirated MW2 enjoyed it and ended up buying Black Ops.

 

As I have always said and will continue to say, "The effects of piracy are incredibly overblown" and gamers need to wake up.

This argument didn't matter at all until PS3 got hacked and to be honest it only adds fuel to the fire about PS3 fans being the worst. They are the only ones getting bent out of shape about piracy while at the same time witnessing that the big pirated consoles sell more software!

You know what's fun to look at in regards to that.

The Dreamcast.

Easiest system to pirate in the world.  Just burn a CD and it... no DRM at all.

Funny thing is, check out the Dreamcasts Tie Ratio, it's very high.  Espiecally considering this was a product that was discontinued well before it's lifecycle was over.

Even though everyone will tell you how much Dreamcast games got pirated.  Dreamcast sold a lot of games.


The PSP has a low tie ratio, why because the hacking allowed the PSP to have a number of functions completely unreleated to playing games.  Meaning people were buying the PSP who wren't interested in PSP games at all, not even from a piracy standpoint.



leatherhat on 04 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law.

Are we talking about the Geohotz case? Because they are only going after him for distribution. 


Not true actually.  I'd suggest reading the charges against him.

 

http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/SonyvHotz-1.pdf


Just read the nature of the action, they are complaining that they created and distrubted the hack. I don't see anything else.



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Kasz216 on 04 April 2011
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law.

Are we talking about the Geohotz case? Because they are only going after him for distribution. 


Not true actually.  I'd suggest reading the charges against him.

 

http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/SonyvHotz-1.pdf


Just read the nature of the action, they are complaining that they created and distrubted the hack. I don't see anything else.

Unlawful circumvention = what every person who uses his hack would be doing.



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Tigerlure on 04 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
Tigerlure said:


I'm pretty sure consumer rights is in the left field and actual minority rights is in the right field. As for the rest of your argument, if you guys want to hack your own systems, go ahead. But I won't fault Sony for wanting to protect their business and normal customers, especially if this might come back to hurt regular PS3 owners. And Sony gave you an option to keep Linux. I don't think Sony is required by law to update your machine or provide PSN access to you.

I actually don't want to hack my system.  I'm just not self centered enough to think only about myself.

Also, you do realize that if you don't update your firmware you can't play any new PS3 games right? 

I'm obviously not thinking of myself either as you can tell from my argument.

Well that's part of the trade off for keeping the Other OS. Like I said, Sony won't mandate you update the software or

buy anything for the console. Anyway hackers have been find a way through the updates recently, so are you really missing out?

My main stance is this. If you want to tamper with your machine and use homebrew, go ahead. But I do not believe you should have the same access to the Playstation Network as I do, and I think that's a fair stance.



Kasz216 on 04 April 2011
Tigerlure said:
Kasz216 said:
Tigerlure said:
 


I'm pretty sure consumer rights is in the left field and actual minority rights is in the right field. As for the rest of your argument, if you guys want to hack your own systems, go ahead. But I won't fault Sony for wanting to protect their business and normal customers, especially if this might come back to hurt regular PS3 owners. And Sony gave you an option to keep Linux. I don't think Sony is required by law to update your machine or provide PSN access to you.

I actually don't want to hack my system.  I'm just not self centered enough to think only about myself.

Also, you do realize that if you don't update your firmware you can't play any new PS3 games right? 

I'm obviously not thinking of myself either as you can tell from my argument.

Well that's part of the trade off for keeping the Other OS. Like I said, Sony won't mandate you update the software or

buy anything for the console. Anyway hackers have been find a way through the updates recently, so are you really missing out?

My main stance is this. If you want to tamper with your machine and use homebrew, go ahead. But I do not believe you should have the same access to the Playstation Network as I do, and I think that's a fair stance.


Are you really missing out if you have to do something illegal, to get back core functions of your machine that were promised to you at the time of purchase?

I'd say....

Yes?

Also, no... your stance does sound like you are only thinking of yourself, and using the "majority" arguement as a mask for selfishness.

Since it's an arguement you are having a hard time even justifying as logical.

Also, your stance is meritless, since that's NOT was Sony is doing.  Sony isn't cutting people off from PSN.  They are cutting people off from PSN and one of the core features of the sysetm they bought.  Playing PS3 games.



leatherhat on 04 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law.

Are we talking about the Geohotz case? Because they are only going after him for distribution. 


Not true actually.  I'd suggest reading the charges against him.

 

http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/SonyvHotz-1.pdf


Just read the nature of the action, they are complaining that they created and distrubted the hack. I don't see anything else.

Unlawful circumvention = what every person who uses his hack would be doing.

The two are lumped together, so its unlikely hacking your ps3 would be charged without distribution. And even so, talk about unenforcable. 



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Euphoria14 on 04 April 2011
kcoward said:
Euphoria14 said:
kcoward said:

I agree. The wii also has the most pirates of the 3 consoles yet Nintendo sell the most hardware and software.


Black Ops also sold more than MW2 and was also pirated less!

Meaning that it is possible that some who pirated MW2 enjoyed it and ended up buying Black Ops.

 

As I have always said and will continue to say, "The effects of piracy are incredibly overblown" and gamers need to wake up.

This argument didn't matter at all until PS3 got hacked and to be honest it only adds fuel to the fire about PS3 fans being the worst. They are the only ones getting bent out of shape about piracy while at the same time witnessing that the big pirated consoles sell more software!

I strongly agree with you about the PS3 fans. Youtube is infested with them.

What's worse is that this is coming from a PS fan!



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kcoward on 04 April 2011
Euphoria14 said:
kcoward said:
Euphoria14 said:
kcoward said:

I agree. The wii also has the most pirates of the 3 consoles yet Nintendo sell the most hardware and software.


Black Ops also sold more than MW2 and was also pirated less!

Meaning that it is possible that some who pirated MW2 enjoyed it and ended up buying Black Ops.

 

As I have always said and will continue to say, "The effects of piracy are incredibly overblown" and gamers need to wake up.

This argument didn't matter at all until PS3 got hacked and to be honest it only adds fuel to the fire about PS3 fans being the worst. They are the only ones getting bent out of shape about piracy while at the same time witnessing that the big pirated consoles sell more software!

I strongly agree with you about the PS3 fans. Youtube is infested with them.

What's worse is that this is coming from a PS fan!

Its cool there are a few inttelligent ones on youtube. :)