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Reasonable on 01 February 2011
Darth Tigris said:

What does he mean by fail?  For Sony or for 3rd party game publishers?

For Sony, no way was it a failure.  65 million with your initial dip in a market?  No way.

For 3rd party game publishers?  Not sure.  I don't remember a lot of games blowing up any charts outside of Japan considering how large its userbase was.  I'd have to dig more (or better yet yield to those that have already done the research), but that's the only area where I could see some calling the PSP a failure.


The software sales were okay for many titles but piracy definately ate into the potential sales and when the system saw a drop in interest in the West sales did drop there.  Again though, for a first handheld they were certainly good enough.

From what was announced Sony are going to be putting a decent effort behind SW with the NGP and are clearly going to leverage key franchises early - something they failed miserably with the PS3 which hurt the console badly in the first 18 months IMHO.

With the NGP they need to find a nice balance of PSN / arcade titles, portable centric titles plus the blockbuster stuff we've seen so far like Uncharted, CoD, etc.

Really, what's funny is despite all the doom pretty much everything in the last 5 years has actually sold pretty well all things considered, DS, PSP, Wii, 360 and PS3.  Quite amazing compared to previous generations.



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leatherhat on 01 February 2011

Everybody knows that psp failed and NGP is doomed, so just move along sega. 



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RafaelOrix on 01 February 2011

That's certainly a very good thing to read, we are seeing a publisher confident on a new platform, which means some investment and that's always good. Also, I think Sega will push some of the unique specifications of the NGP, maybe we will see some really cool stuff soon.



thismeintiel on 01 February 2011
Reasonable said:

PSP did fine.  People are obsessed with black/white fail/win comparisons.  As a first entry in the handheld gaming market, for exmaple, the PSP did better than the Xbox (another first entry device) did relative to the main competition - should MS have given up and declared it was a failure and left the market to Sony?

Of course not.  Similarly, the PSP did more than well enough that no sensible company would pack up their bags and just leave the market to Nintendo.  And if there is one thing Sony now knows all to well, it's sometimes easier to take marketshare steadily from someone else vs hang on to huge chunks of marketshare

PSP did well as an initial entry, with over 30% of the total marketshare defined by DS/PSP, and NGP I think is well positioned to do better.  The handheld market is large and while under threat from smart phones and the like I could still see it rising in size to easily allow both the 3DS and the NGP to succeed in their own right.

A lot more people need to realise business doesn't consist of a winner and everyone else just bails out and leaves them to it.  Every new release or change of strategy can change the market.  Sony demolished Nintendo in volume sales yet Nintendo came back with the same result a gen later.  Xbox sold relatively weakly yet MS came back and improved hugely with the 360.  Similarly Sony will look for improvement with their new device even if Nintendo ultimately sell more.

That's the nature of a competitive market.

Just a small correction, it was 2 gens later Nintendo bounced back.  Still, I agree with your post 100%.  And given that Sony will have a full line-up of PSP Minis available at launch, as well as new games like Little Deviants, I think that the NGP may pull in more casuals than the PSP did.  Fact is, if Sony can get the NGP out to market with a price tag within a $50 difference of the 3DS, then this handheld gen is going to be very interesting.



 

ssj12 on 01 February 2011
haxxiy said:
Jumpin said:
ssj12 said:

He is right, the PSP isn't a failure. It successfully took over 30% of the handheld market from Nintendo which no other handheld in the history of handheld gaming consoles managed to accomplish.


It could also be said that the PSP failed to dominate the handheld market; and instead of defeating the final section of their biggest competition, Nintendo actually had their most successful system to date.

Hardly relevant. One's success is not always another's failure. If that was the case, we could say Kinect failed, WIi software failed, SNES failed, anything Sega released failed etc. And if we account the iPhone as a handheld of sorts, the DS failed too. 

Not true, remember that Nintendo has been in last place the last two generations but made some really nice profits. Bigger profits then the PS1 and PS2.



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Chibi.V.29 on 01 February 2011

if SEGA sais so then its true!!!!



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Squilliam on 01 February 2011
ssj12 said:

He is right, the PSP isn't a failure. It successfully took over 30% of the handheld market from Nintendo which no other handheld in the history of handheld gaming consoles managed to accomplish.

Thats not true as like always Sony is 3rd place in the handheld market just as it is 3rd place in a home console market.



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MiSan7573 on 01 February 2011

Well PSP suceeded and failed at the same time.  It suceeded by actually surviving enough rounds with the Nintendo DS  without getting knocked out and to  to warrant a rematch.  The PSP failed in many aspects of "bringing the portable market out of the ghetto" as it did nil in revolutionizing the platform.  It also got pummelled badly in several rounds with the DS these past several years; having it'sl iterations like the PSP:GO getting outsold badly compared to the DS's other iterations like the DSi and XL.  It's software to hardware ratio is also lower that the DS despite having less of a piracy issue than Nintendo's console.  So yes PSP succeeded in some ways and yet it definitely failed in many other ways.  Just my two cents.



MiSan7573 on 01 February 2011
Chibi.V.29 said:

if SEGA sais so then its true!!!!


Well Sega was the closest (in my opinion) in competing with Nintendo in the handheld market. The GameGear vs Gameboy was one of the best battles in schools, offices, and playgrounds during it's time.  A lot closer in terms of respect and the gamegear had the gameboy down a couple of rounds; in contrast to the slugging the PSP took from the DS during it' lifetime.



Kennyheart on 01 February 2011
Reasonable said:

PSP did fine.  People are obsessed with black/white fail/win comparisons.  As a first entry in the handheld gaming market, for exmaple, the PSP did better than the Xbox (another first entry device) did relative to the main competition - should MS have given up and declared it was a failure and left the market to Sony?

Of course not.  Similarly, the PSP did more than well enough that no sensible company would pack up their bags and just leave the market to Nintendo.  And if there is one thing Sony now knows all to well, it's sometimes easier to take marketshare steadily from someone else vs hang on to huge chunks of marketshare

PSP did well as an initial entry, with over 30% of the total marketshare defined by DS/PSP, and NGP I think is well positioned to do better.  The handheld market is large and while under threat from smart phones and the like I could still see it rising in size to easily allow both the 3DS and the NGP to succeed in their own right.

A lot more people need to realise business doesn't consist of a winner and everyone else just bails out and leaves them to it.  Every new release or change of strategy can change the market.  Sony demolished Nintendo in volume sales yet Nintendo came back with the same result a gen later.  Xbox sold relatively weakly yet MS came back and improved hugely with the 360.  Similarly Sony will look for improvement with their new device even if Nintendo ultimately sell more.

That's the nature of a competitive market.

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