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rakugakist said:
Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:
Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:


Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:
Kasz216 said:
whatever said:
PDF said:

Yes we should legalize and TAX the shit out of it.

Pot smokers dont deserve to go to jail, but since they have less of a positive influence on society we counter balance this with taking all their damn money.

Not sure where your getting this from.  In college, a lot of the smartest people I knew smoked pot.  It seemed very popular among physicists.  I think it was because theoretical physics require quite a bit of imagination to figure things out.  It's quite mind-bending to try and understand some of the complex theories in physics.

Weed doesn't actually make you think any deeper or imaginitive, it just makes you think dumb ideas are smart... try having a philosphy major have a conversation with a bunch of stoners and you'll see what i mean.

Go home and burn half your music, and while you're at it destroy half your games, cause the people that created that shit were probably real fucking high on drugs.

Which has to do with what?  Most music, including "good" music is actually pretty dumb from a pure lyrics department.  I mean, the Killers... how much drugs do you think they do?  Doesn't really change the beat.

Music by design is supposed to be "stupid".  If it's literal, it doesn't lend well because you are disctracted by the lyrics.

And most games... well actually most games if anything don't have stupid ideas anymore... I much perfered it when they did because that meant more time was spent on gameplay.

Was Miyamoto high when he came up with SMB?  Probably, the idea isn't want makes SMB what it is though.  It's the gameplay.

 

The Killers?  Seriously?  Okay.

You made a comment about drugs making people imaginative, and then go to talk about "stupid" ideas, and music and games having "stupid" ideas.  I'm starting to wonder if you're high.

My comment had nothing to do with people acting stupid when they're high.  My comment was about positive and creative ideas stemming while people are high, which has happened for centuries, no matter what the drug is.

Drugs can cause a positive influence on society.

And, Miyamoto.  Come on, he created the gameplay.

I bet he wasn't high at work while he was doing it.  ANYTHING can cause a positive influence on society, including murder.  The question was  the chances  vs positive vs negative influence.

Wow.

Comparing murder to marijuana is a pretty big step.

Does marijuana cause people to act slow, stupid, and lazy?  Yes, everybody knows that, but so does television.

I do agree with you on one point, that it is the person's right to choose.  I just think you're overlooking the positive outcomes that marijuana has had on this society.  And, I'm not talking about the KIllers.

Weed doesn't create talent, but it helps some people present it.  It helps imaginations run wild and brings out the deepest in some people, thus it makes them more imaginative.

That's all my argument is. I'm also not talking about stupid stoner philosophy students that come up with a basic idea and think it's genius because they go, "Whoa, man..."

I
Bolded I agree with.  TV as well has more negatives then positives.  Though I do like me some TV.  You don't think the world would be a better place if less people watched TV?  Most things people want to do are at a net negative. 

Italicized I do not.

Marijuna brings out creativity in the same way cigarettes relax people and alchohol makes people more social.

Most of it is a placebo effect, and the rest is the fact that you've gotten so addicted to the product that you have problems without it purely BECAUSE of your addiction.

You're completely ignorant.

Sure....

keep telling yourself that.



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Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:
Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:


Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:
Kasz216 said:
whatever said:
PDF said:

Yes we should legalize and TAX the shit out of it.

Pot smokers dont deserve to go to jail, but since they have less of a positive influence on society we counter balance this with taking all their damn money.

Not sure where your getting this from.  In college, a lot of the smartest people I knew smoked pot.  It seemed very popular among physicists.  I think it was because theoretical physics require quite a bit of imagination to figure things out.  It's quite mind-bending to try and understand some of the complex theories in physics.

Weed doesn't actually make you think any deeper or imaginitive, it just makes you think dumb ideas are smart... try having a philosphy major have a conversation with a bunch of stoners and you'll see what i mean.

Go home and burn half your music, and while you're at it destroy half your games, cause the people that created that shit were probably real fucking high on drugs.

Which has to do with what?  Most music, including "good" music is actually pretty dumb from a pure lyrics department.  I mean, the Killers... how much drugs do you think they do?  Doesn't really change the beat.

Music by design is supposed to be "stupid".  If it's literal, it doesn't lend well because you are disctracted by the lyrics.

And most games... well actually most games if anything don't have stupid ideas anymore... I much perfered it when they did because that meant more time was spent on gameplay.

Was Miyamoto high when he came up with SMB?  Probably, the idea isn't want makes SMB what it is though.  It's the gameplay.

 

The Killers?  Seriously?  Okay.

You made a comment about drugs making people imaginative, and then go to talk about "stupid" ideas, and music and games having "stupid" ideas.  I'm starting to wonder if you're high.

My comment had nothing to do with people acting stupid when they're high.  My comment was about positive and creative ideas stemming while people are high, which has happened for centuries, no matter what the drug is.

Drugs can cause a positive influence on society.

And, Miyamoto.  Come on, he created the gameplay.

I bet he wasn't high at work while he was doing it.  ANYTHING can cause a positive influence on society, including murder.  The question was  the chances  vs positive vs negative influence.

Wow.

Comparing murder to marijuana is a pretty big step.

Does marijuana cause people to act slow, stupid, and lazy?  Yes, everybody knows that, but so does television.

I do agree with you on one point, that it is the person's right to choose.  I just think you're overlooking the positive outcomes that marijuana has had on this society.  And, I'm not talking about the KIllers.

Weed doesn't create talent, but it helps some people present it.  It helps imaginations run wild and brings out the deepest in some people, thus it makes them more imaginative.

That's all my argument is. I'm also not talking about stupid stoner philosophy students that come up with a basic idea and think it's genius because they go, "Whoa, man..."

I
Bolded I agree with.  TV as well has more negatives then positives.  Though I do like me some TV.  You don't think the world would be a better place if less people watched TV?  Most things people want to do are at a net negative. 

Italicized I do not.

Marijuna brings out creativity in the same way cigarettes relax people and alchohol makes people more social.

Most of it is a placebo effect, and the rest is the fact that you've gotten so addicted to the product that you have problems without it purely BECAUSE of your addiction.

You said you've never done drugs, so you really don't have a point of reference to make any claims about how they make you think.

Drugs don't place ideas in your head, but they do allow you to look at problems from a different perspective. This lets you come up with solutions you wouldn't have thought of under sober conditions. These ideas can definitely be called more "imaginative" because they're often less conventional than your normal line of thinking. More out-of-the-box and whatnot.

And alcohol affects brain mechanisms used to regulate impulse control. For someone who's normally reluctant to engage in social interactions, decreased impulse control could allow them to overcome that barrier and be more social. Alcohol is directly (and physically) affecting a mental process that inhibits the person from acting a certain way. That's certainly not placebo.



 Phendrana said:
Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:
Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:


Kasz216 said:
rakugakist said:
Kasz216 said:
whatever said:
PDF said:

Yes we should legalize and TAX the shit out of it.

Pot smokers dont deserve to go to jail, but since they have less of a positive influence on society we counter balance this with taking all their damn money.

Not sure where your getting this from.  In college, a lot of the smartest people I knew smoked pot.  It seemed very popular among physicists.  I think it was because theoretical physics require quite a bit of imagination to figure things out.  It's quite mind-bending to try and understand some of the complex theories in physics.

Weed doesn't actually make you think any deeper or imaginitive, it just makes you think dumb ideas are smart... try having a philosphy major have a conversation with a bunch of stoners and you'll see what i mean.

Go home and burn half your music, and while you're at it destroy half your games, cause the people that created that shit were probably real fucking high on drugs.

Which has to do with what?  Most music, including "good" music is actually pretty dumb from a pure lyrics department.  I mean, the Killers... how much drugs do you think they do?  Doesn't really change the beat.

Music by design is supposed to be "stupid".  If it's literal, it doesn't lend well because you are disctracted by the lyrics.

And most games... well actually most games if anything don't have stupid ideas anymore... I much perfered it when they did because that meant more time was spent on gameplay.

Was Miyamoto high when he came up with SMB?  Probably, the idea isn't want makes SMB what it is though.  It's the gameplay.

 

The Killers?  Seriously?  Okay.

You made a comment about drugs making people imaginative, and then go to talk about "stupid" ideas, and music and games having "stupid" ideas.  I'm starting to wonder if you're high.

My comment had nothing to do with people acting stupid when they're high.  My comment was about positive and creative ideas stemming while people are high, which has happened for centuries, no matter what the drug is.

Drugs can cause a positive influence on society.

And, Miyamoto.  Come on, he created the gameplay.

I bet he wasn't high at work while he was doing it.  ANYTHING can cause a positive influence on society, including murder.  The question was  the chances  vs positive vs negative influence.

Wow.

Comparing murder to marijuana is a pretty big step.

Does marijuana cause people to act slow, stupid, and lazy?  Yes, everybody knows that, but so does television.

I do agree with you on one point, that it is the person's right to choose.  I just think you're overlooking the positive outcomes that marijuana has had on this society.  And, I'm not talking about the KIllers.

Weed doesn't create talent, but it helps some people present it.  It helps imaginations run wild and brings out the deepest in some people, thus it makes them more imaginative.

That's all my argument is. I'm also not talking about stupid stoner philosophy students that come up with a basic idea and think it's genius because they go, "Whoa, man..."

I
Bolded I agree with.  TV as well has more negatives then positives.  Though I do like me some TV.  You don't think the world would be a better place if less people watched TV?  Most things people want to do are at a net negative. 

Italicized I do not.

Marijuna brings out creativity in the same way cigarettes relax people and alchohol makes people more social.

Most of it is a placebo effect, and the rest is the fact that you've gotten so addicted to the product that you have problems without it purely BECAUSE of your addiction.

You said you've never done drugs, so you really don't have a point of reference to make any claims about how they make you think.

Drugs don't place ideas in your head, but they do allow you to look at problems from a different perspective. This lets you come up with solutions you wouldn't have thought of under sober conditions. These ideas can definitely be called more "imaginative" because they're often less conventional than your normal line of thinking. More out-of-the-box and whatnot.

And alcohol affects brain mechanisms used to regulate impulse control. For someone who's normally reluctant to engage in social interactions, decreased impulse control could allow them to overcome that barrier and be more social. Alcohol is directly (and physically) affecting a mental process that inhibits the person from acting a certain way. That's certainly not placebo.

I've never said I've never done drugs.  I said I don't currently use drugs.  I've done Marijuana before and other things as well.  Stronger things that are actually supposed to "inspire" more.

I don't really have an addictive personality though, so I was able to stop after it got boring and annoying that it's all my friends wanted to do.

 Anyone who thinks it makes them more creative is fooling themselves.  It just makes it harder to think outside the box without the drug... so you attribute the creativity to it.



Kasz216 said:
 Phendrana said:
Kasz216 said

I
Bolded I agree with.  TV as well has more negatives then positives.  Though I do like me some TV.  You don't think the world would be a better place if less people watched TV?  Most things people want to do are at a net negative. 

Italicized I do not.

Marijuna brings out creativity in the same way cigarettes relax people and alchohol makes people more social.

Most of it is a placebo effect, and the rest is the fact that you've gotten so addicted to the product that you have problems without it purely BECAUSE of your addiction.

You said you've never done drugs, so you really don't have a point of reference to make any claims about how they make you think.

Drugs don't place ideas in your head, but they do allow you to look at problems from a different perspective. This lets you come up with solutions you wouldn't have thought of under sober conditions. These ideas can definitely be called more "imaginative" because they're often less conventional than your normal line of thinking. More out-of-the-box and whatnot.

And alcohol affects brain mechanisms used to regulate impulse control. For someone who's normally reluctant to engage in social interactions, decreased impulse control could allow them to overcome that barrier and be more social. Alcohol is directly (and physically) affecting a mental process that inhibits the person from acting a certain way. That's certainly not placebo.

I've never said I've never done drugs.  I said I don't currently use drugs.  I've done Marijuana before and other things as well.  Stronger things that are actually supposed to "inspire" more.

I don't really have an addictive personality though, so I was able to stop after it got boring and annoying that it's all my friends wanted to do.

 Anyone who thinks it makes them more creative is fooling themselves.  It just makes it harder to think outside the box without the drug... so you attribute the creativity to it.

Sorry, I remember seeing you say you didn't do drugs earlier in the thread and thought you meant in general. Regardless, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you here. You're making it sound like everyone who does drugs is some kind of addict who can't think clearly unless they're under the influence. 

Drugs can help you think much more abstractly than normal, which is a very important part of thinking creatively. Being creative is thinking about something differently. Drugs force you into thinking differently. I don't do them to try to be creative, but there have been times when I've come up with unique ideas I wouldn't have thought of under normal circumstances.

Please note though, I'm not talking about the kind of person that smokes weed everyday because they insist they need it to be creative. There's a big difference between using something as a tool and using something as a crutch.



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Conservatives wanting people to dull their senses? Surprising?


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so consuming mind altering cancer inducing addictive substances is no longer seen as a bad thing? is official then good and bad are a matter of fashion now.  At this rate incest wont be  a crime in about 10 years. :S



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Phendrana said:
Kasz216 said:
 Phendrana said:
Kasz216 said

I
Bolded I agree with.  TV as well has more negatives then positives.  Though I do like me some TV.  You don't think the world would be a better place if less people watched TV?  Most things people want to do are at a net negative. 

Italicized I do not.

Marijuna brings out creativity in the same way cigarettes relax people and alchohol makes people more social.

Most of it is a placebo effect, and the rest is the fact that you've gotten so addicted to the product that you have problems without it purely BECAUSE of your addiction.

You said you've never done drugs, so you really don't have a point of reference to make any claims about how they make you think.

Drugs don't place ideas in your head, but they do allow you to look at problems from a different perspective. This lets you come up with solutions you wouldn't have thought of under sober conditions. These ideas can definitely be called more "imaginative" because they're often less conventional than your normal line of thinking. More out-of-the-box and whatnot.

And alcohol affects brain mechanisms used to regulate impulse control. For someone who's normally reluctant to engage in social interactions, decreased impulse control could allow them to overcome that barrier and be more social. Alcohol is directly (and physically) affecting a mental process that inhibits the person from acting a certain way. That's certainly not placebo.

I've never said I've never done drugs.  I said I don't currently use drugs.  I've done Marijuana before and other things as well.  Stronger things that are actually supposed to "inspire" more.

I don't really have an addictive personality though, so I was able to stop after it got boring and annoying that it's all my friends wanted to do.

 Anyone who thinks it makes them more creative is fooling themselves.  It just makes it harder to think outside the box without the drug... so you attribute the creativity to it.

Sorry, I remember seeing you say you didn't do drugs earlier in the thread and thought you meant in general. Regardless, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you here. You're making it sound like everyone who does drugs is some kind of addict who can't think clearly unless they're under the influence. 

Drugs can help you think much more abstractly than normal, which is a very important part of thinking creatively. Being creative is thinking about something differently. Drugs force you into thinking differently. I don't do them to try to be creative, but there have been times when I've come up with unique ideas I wouldn't have thought of under normal circumstances.

Please note though, I'm not talking about the kind of person that smokes weed everyday because they insist they need it to be creative. There's a big difference between using something as a tool and using something as a crutch.

Except they don't.

Drugs don't force you into thinking differently if you are a casual user.  Look up the term Placebo effect.

The reasons people think their creativity is increased is because they think it will be increased.

Your mind thinks differently high because you think it will think differently... not because of any actual effect of the drug.



radha said:

so consuming mind altering cancer inducing addictive substances is no longer seen as a bad thing? is official then good and bad are a matter of fashion now.  At this rate incest wont be  a crime in about 10 years. :S

Tobacco has been legal for god knows how long, and don't forget alhchol, not cancer but liver disease is just as bad.



chocoloco said:
Killiana1a said:

If Prop 19 passed the US Supreme Court would have shut it down citing the primacy of Federal law over State law and the Interstate Commerce Clause in the US Constitution. The text of Prop 19 had no enforcement provision to prevent a corporate grow in Los Angeles from selling out of state, thus violating the Interstate Commerce Clause and inviting the US Supreme Court to nullify Prop 19.


I do not know if the Supreme Court has the right to knock down a law like prop 19 that could have been voted yes by the people I may be wrong. What I do know is that the prohibition of alcohol was overturned by the federal government only after about 15 states relegalzed alcohol. As far as I know we are called the United States because our forefathers wanted to keep to much power from the federal goverment and set many forms of checks and balances to that government. One of them was to give a lot of power to legislate to each individual state. Has the government stopped Denver from all out legalization of marijuan, No. By states legalizing marijuana one at a time people are working for real reform and telling the government the will of the people will matter more than the government not realising they made a mistake by making it illegal for so long.

The medical marijuana industry in Colorado does not rival the $14 billion plus medical marijuana industry in California. California was the first to pass medical marijuana, others followed, and the medical marijuana industry is at a point in some parts of California (SF Bay Area and LA) where some could easily file the paperwork and become big corporations if marijuana was legalized.

The US Constitution clearly states in Article I, Section 3, Clause 8:

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;

Denver by legalizing marijuana is playing a dangerous game which could overturn and illegalize the whole medical marijuana industry in Colorado and the entire United States. All it would take is 2 to 3 cases of FBI and DEA agents tracking marijuana shipments in Colorado, and if those shipments cross state lines out of Colorado, then it is a clear violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause allowing for the US Supreme Court to take up the issue of whether medical marijuana should be legal or not because cases involving medical marijuana shipped out of state for material gain, not medical use have been investigated and criminally prosecuted.

Same would apply to California and any state with medical marijuana.

This is just the legal argument. My personal preference is for drastic decriminalization and medical marijuan in all 50 states with dispensaries.



Killiana1a said:
chocoloco said:
Killiana1a said:

If Prop 19 passed the US Supreme Court would have shut it down citing the primacy of Federal law over State law and the Interstate Commerce Clause in the US Constitution. The text of Prop 19 had no enforcement provision to prevent a corporate grow in Los Angeles from selling out of state, thus violating the Interstate Commerce Clause and inviting the US Supreme Court to nullify Prop 19.


I do not know if the Supreme Court has the right to knock down a law like prop 19 that could have been voted yes by the people I may be wrong. What I do know is that the prohibition of alcohol was overturned by the federal government only after about 15 states relegalzed alcohol. As far as I know we are called the United States because our forefathers wanted to keep to much power from the federal goverment and set many forms of checks and balances to that government. One of them was to give a lot of power to legislate to each individual state. Has the government stopped Denver from all out legalization of marijuan, No. By states legalizing marijuana one at a time people are working for real reform and telling the government the will of the people will matter more than the government not realising they made a mistake by making it illegal for so long.

The medical marijuana industry in Colorado does not rival the $14 billion plus medical marijuana industry in California. California was the first to pass medical marijuana, others followed, and the medical marijuana industry is at a point in some parts of California (SF Bay Area and LA) where some could easily file the paperwork and become big corporations if marijuana was legalized.

The US Constitution clearly states in Article I, Section 3, Clause 8:

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;

Denver by legalizing marijuana is playing a dangerous game which could overturn and illegalize the whole medical marijuana industry in Colorado and the entire United States. All it would take is 2 to 3 cases of FBI and DEA agents tracking marijuana shipments in Colorado, and if those shipments cross state lines out of Colorado, then it is a clear violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause allowing for the US Supreme Court to take up the issue of whether medical marijuana should be legal or not because cases involving medical marijuana shipped out of state for material gain, not medical use have been investigated and criminally prosecuted.

Same would apply to California and any state with medical marijuana.

This is just the legal argument. My personal preference is for drastic decriminalization and medical marijuan in all 50 states with dispensaries.

Well it seems you don't seek the same ends as me that is fine, but even by calling something a crime you are still stigmatizing a people that do nothing worse than any man who drinks a bottle of scotch. I am not one who believes that this kind of stigmitization is right. I believe the stimitization against all drugs (including alcohol) should be based on scientific and stastical warrents and not on whether or not a government has labled it as criminal act.

Still Denver has been legal for 3-4 years I don't care to check and yet the federal government has done nothing to overturn the will of a city.  Despite all your talk of California having a bigger industry means nothing. Even so Colorado has the second biggest industry and MMj has been legal for over 10 years.