rakugakist said:
You're completely ignorant. |
Sure....
keep telling yourself that.
rakugakist said:
You're completely ignorant. |
Sure....
keep telling yourself that.
Kasz216 said:
I Italicized I do not. Marijuna brings out creativity in the same way cigarettes relax people and alchohol makes people more social. Most of it is a placebo effect, and the rest is the fact that you've gotten so addicted to the product that you have problems without it purely BECAUSE of your addiction. |
You said you've never done drugs, so you really don't have a point of reference to make any claims about how they make you think.
Drugs don't place ideas in your head, but they do allow you to look at problems from a different perspective. This lets you come up with solutions you wouldn't have thought of under sober conditions. These ideas can definitely be called more "imaginative" because they're often less conventional than your normal line of thinking. More out-of-the-box and whatnot.
And alcohol affects brain mechanisms used to regulate impulse control. For someone who's normally reluctant to engage in social interactions, decreased impulse control could allow them to overcome that barrier and be more social. Alcohol is directly (and physically) affecting a mental process that inhibits the person from acting a certain way. That's certainly not placebo.
Phendrana said:
You said you've never done drugs, so you really don't have a point of reference to make any claims about how they make you think. Drugs don't place ideas in your head, but they do allow you to look at problems from a different perspective. This lets you come up with solutions you wouldn't have thought of under sober conditions. These ideas can definitely be called more "imaginative" because they're often less conventional than your normal line of thinking. More out-of-the-box and whatnot. And alcohol affects brain mechanisms used to regulate impulse control. For someone who's normally reluctant to engage in social interactions, decreased impulse control could allow them to overcome that barrier and be more social. Alcohol is directly (and physically) affecting a mental process that inhibits the person from acting a certain way. That's certainly not placebo. |
I've never said I've never done drugs. I said I don't currently use drugs. I've done Marijuana before and other things as well. Stronger things that are actually supposed to "inspire" more.
I don't really have an addictive personality though, so I was able to stop after it got boring and annoying that it's all my friends wanted to do.
Anyone who thinks it makes them more creative is fooling themselves. It just makes it harder to think outside the box without the drug... so you attribute the creativity to it.
Kasz216 said:
I've never said I've never done drugs. I said I don't currently use drugs. I've done Marijuana before and other things as well. Stronger things that are actually supposed to "inspire" more. I don't really have an addictive personality though, so I was able to stop after it got boring and annoying that it's all my friends wanted to do. Anyone who thinks it makes them more creative is fooling themselves. It just makes it harder to think outside the box without the drug... so you attribute the creativity to it. |
Sorry, I remember seeing you say you didn't do drugs earlier in the thread and thought you meant in general. Regardless, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you here. You're making it sound like everyone who does drugs is some kind of addict who can't think clearly unless they're under the influence.
Drugs can help you think much more abstractly than normal, which is a very important part of thinking creatively. Being creative is thinking about something differently. Drugs force you into thinking differently. I don't do them to try to be creative, but there have been times when I've come up with unique ideas I wouldn't have thought of under normal circumstances.
Please note though, I'm not talking about the kind of person that smokes weed everyday because they insist they need it to be creative. There's a big difference between using something as a tool and using something as a crutch.
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Phendrana said:
Sorry, I remember seeing you say you didn't do drugs earlier in the thread and thought you meant in general. Regardless, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you here. You're making it sound like everyone who does drugs is some kind of addict who can't think clearly unless they're under the influence. Drugs can help you think much more abstractly than normal, which is a very important part of thinking creatively. Being creative is thinking about something differently. Drugs force you into thinking differently. I don't do them to try to be creative, but there have been times when I've come up with unique ideas I wouldn't have thought of under normal circumstances. Please note though, I'm not talking about the kind of person that smokes weed everyday because they insist they need it to be creative. There's a big difference between using something as a tool and using something as a crutch. |
Except they don't.
Drugs don't force you into thinking differently if you are a casual user. Look up the term Placebo effect.
The reasons people think their creativity is increased is because they think it will be increased.
Your mind thinks differently high because you think it will think differently... not because of any actual effect of the drug.
radha said: so consuming mind altering cancer inducing addictive substances is no longer seen as a bad thing? is official then good and bad are a matter of fashion now. At this rate incest wont be a crime in about 10 years. :S |
Tobacco has been legal for god knows how long, and don't forget alhchol, not cancer but liver disease is just as bad.
chocoloco said:
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The medical marijuana industry in Colorado does not rival the $14 billion plus medical marijuana industry in California. California was the first to pass medical marijuana, others followed, and the medical marijuana industry is at a point in some parts of California (SF Bay Area and LA) where some could easily file the paperwork and become big corporations if marijuana was legalized.
The US Constitution clearly states in Article I, Section 3, Clause 8:
[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;
Denver by legalizing marijuana is playing a dangerous game which could overturn and illegalize the whole medical marijuana industry in Colorado and the entire United States. All it would take is 2 to 3 cases of FBI and DEA agents tracking marijuana shipments in Colorado, and if those shipments cross state lines out of Colorado, then it is a clear violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause allowing for the US Supreme Court to take up the issue of whether medical marijuana should be legal or not because cases involving medical marijuana shipped out of state for material gain, not medical use have been investigated and criminally prosecuted.
Same would apply to California and any state with medical marijuana.
This is just the legal argument. My personal preference is for drastic decriminalization and medical marijuan in all 50 states with dispensaries.
Killiana1a said:
The medical marijuana industry in Colorado does not rival the $14 billion plus medical marijuana industry in California. California was the first to pass medical marijuana, others followed, and the medical marijuana industry is at a point in some parts of California (SF Bay Area and LA) where some could easily file the paperwork and become big corporations if marijuana was legalized. The US Constitution clearly states in Article I, Section 3, Clause 8: [The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; Denver by legalizing marijuana is playing a dangerous game which could overturn and illegalize the whole medical marijuana industry in Colorado and the entire United States. All it would take is 2 to 3 cases of FBI and DEA agents tracking marijuana shipments in Colorado, and if those shipments cross state lines out of Colorado, then it is a clear violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause allowing for the US Supreme Court to take up the issue of whether medical marijuana should be legal or not because cases involving medical marijuana shipped out of state for material gain, not medical use have been investigated and criminally prosecuted. Same would apply to California and any state with medical marijuana. This is just the legal argument. My personal preference is for drastic decriminalization and medical marijuan in all 50 states with dispensaries. |
Well it seems you don't seek the same ends as me that is fine, but even by calling something a crime you are still stigmatizing a people that do nothing worse than any man who drinks a bottle of scotch. I am not one who believes that this kind of stigmitization is right. I believe the stimitization against all drugs (including alcohol) should be based on scientific and stastical warrents and not on whether or not a government has labled it as criminal act.
Still Denver has been legal for 3-4 years I don't care to check and yet the federal government has done nothing to overturn the will of a city. Despite all your talk of California having a bigger industry means nothing. Even so Colorado has the second biggest industry and MMj has been legal for over 10 years.