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makingmusic476 said:

I spent 4-5 months trying to find a job this year.  Much of that time I simply felt loss and confused about where to look for work.  When you're sitting at home at a loss as to where to apply next, I suppose that can be seen as laziness to those on the outside. I know my mom made quite a few comments to that effect over that time period.

During that period, most of the places that were "hiring" and involved a field I could do well in weren't actually hiring.  They had open staff positions, but they weren't actively looking for new employees.  If a current employee could recommend someone to fill in a position, they'd look into it, but all applications were completely ignored.

I'm finding this to be the case everywhere these days.  Every job I've ever had (going on six) was made available through someone I knew, and at the one job in which I was somewhat involved in the hiring process, we mostly took in people familiar to other employees, since we had problems with the employees we hired through the traditional apply/interview method - even those that seemed like amazing people when we initially met them.

So now I'm in a temp position doing stock, a job I landed solely because two of my sisters were former employees at the same location.  Between the other two people hired for the holidays, one was related to a current employee, and the other was a former employee.  And we'll all be let go come December.

The job market sucks right now, even for the low end, minimum wage crap.  And I can only imagine it being worse elsewhere.  New Orleans was in a bit of an economic bubble during the early days of the recession, due to storm recovery providing local economic growth.

Thank you for this post.  I've been trying to explain this to others, but since they haven't experienced it they don't understand or believe it.  

And thanks for tempering the angry sting the OP left in my mouth that almost came out in my fingers in a way that could've led to my first ban . . .



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Kasz216 said:

Also, I wanna say this article is out of date.  They approved tax cuts for all and extending unemployment for 13 months.

This bugs the hell outta me, given that the last election was entirely about deficit spending. Cut taxes and extend benefits? They only got it half right, whichever way you look at it



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Finished college last year, topped my degree, applied for countless jobs over the year. Ended up getting a part time job that only about half the time is relevant to me degree. No matter how many jobs I applied for I couldn't get a better one until about 3 months ago where I got a second part time job working for Sony in their BR/DVD mastering department.

However I got this job through a friend from college. The world truly is about who you know, not what you know (atleast in regards to getting that foot in the door).

So now I work 2 jobs.

However I would not have gotten the second job if I hadn't been willing to take a job thats not what I wanted exactly. Without that job, my CV would have looked rubbish and I wouldn't have been able to get the job at Sony, friend or not.

My advice is take what you can get even if it isn't perfect and then use that as a springboard to get more work. And of course use your contacts if you have them!

EDIT

And having a number of friends that have been unemployed for a long time (the longest is two years now). After a while some of them kind of just gave up. Humans are emotional animals and of course actively sabotaging yourself isn't going to solve the problem, but it must be very hard to get rejection after rejection over and over again.



Chairman-Mao said:
richardhutnik said:
Chairman-Mao said:

These people aren't lazy. They're just holding out for management positions.

If you have been management, and then try to apply for something not management, it is hard to get into.  Go too far down, and you get "overqualified".  In my case, I have a Masters degree.  Sure, I might be able to land seasonal employment, where you are gone in January.  But for more permanent things?  Well, it is a real challenge.


I'm only 19 and in my undergrad program so I can't speak at all about job hunting or whatever, but I can't see it as being too hard to find a job with a masters degree. Now I understand the whole "overqualified" issue but it can't be that big of a drawback can it?

Yeah, it is. I don't have a Master's but I couldn't find even crap work because I was overqualified for any of it. I couldn't even get an entry-level or junior position in my own field because they knew I'd be gone in a month or two once something better came around.




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Chairman-Mao said:
richardhutnik said:
Chairman-Mao said:

These people aren't lazy. They're just holding out for management positions.

If you have been management, and then try to apply for something not management, it is hard to get into.  Go too far down, and you get "overqualified".  In my case, I have a Masters degree.  Sure, I might be able to land seasonal employment, where you are gone in January.  But for more permanent things?  Well, it is a real challenge.


I'm only 19 and in my undergrad program so I can't speak at all about job hunting or whatever, but I can't see it as being too hard to find a job with a masters degree. Now I understand the whole "overqualified" issue but it can't be that big of a drawback can it?


As a general guideline, a master's degree makes you more attractive for a few positions and no more attractive for most positions within a field than a bachelor's degree would. In some ways it is a negative because the extra couple of years experience you could have gotten instead of a master's degree is valued far more than the master's degree is. My job market is relatively healthy, and my field within my market has very low unemployment, so this isn't the case at the moment but (in the past) I have seen people with Master's degrees and PHD's struggle because of this. If an employeer can put up a posting and find countless people who have 3 to 5 years experience in a very similar position with strong references it will be very difficult for a new graduate of a master's or PHD program without real world experience to find a job.



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rocketpig said:
Chairman-Mao said:
richardhutnik said:
Chairman-Mao said:

These people aren't lazy. They're just holding out for management positions.

If you have been management, and then try to apply for something not management, it is hard to get into.  Go too far down, and you get "overqualified".  In my case, I have a Masters degree.  Sure, I might be able to land seasonal employment, where you are gone in January.  But for more permanent things?  Well, it is a real challenge.


I'm only 19 and in my undergrad program so I can't speak at all about job hunting or whatever, but I can't see it as being too hard to find a job with a masters degree. Now I understand the whole "overqualified" issue but it can't be that big of a drawback can it?

Yeah, it is. I don't have a Master's but I couldn't find even crap work because I was overqualified for any of it. I couldn't even get an entry-level or junior position in my own field because they knew I'd be gone in a month or two once something better came around.


One of the more successful approaches to finding an unadvertised job in a tough market is to seek out informational interviews with companies in your area.

Start by making a list of all of the companies that do work related to your field and order them based on your desire to work for the company. Starting with the bottom of the list, try to contact HR and get a 10 to 15 minute informational interview where you can find out information about the company; stick to this 10 to 15 minutes (you are in charge of the interview) and after you get the information you desire about the company try to get the HR person to get you in contact with someone within the company who might be able to give you advice on how to break into the industry. If they get you in contact with someone, try to get an informational interview from them by offering them something like a coffee; and if successful, try to get them to get you in contact with someone else who can give you information about breaking into the industry.

If you follow up appropriately, and have done well with your interview, it is likely that when an opening appears in one of these companies you will be considered before the job is advertised. On a side note, since so few people have the "bawls" to do this, you will have very little competition with this approach.



Haven't you been unemployed for like 3 years?



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HappySqurriel said:
rocketpig said:
Chairman-Mao said:
richardhutnik said:
Chairman-Mao said:

These people aren't lazy. They're just holding out for management positions.

If you have been management, and then try to apply for something not management, it is hard to get into.  Go too far down, and you get "overqualified".  In my case, I have a Masters degree.  Sure, I might be able to land seasonal employment, where you are gone in January.  But for more permanent things?  Well, it is a real challenge.


I'm only 19 and in my undergrad program so I can't speak at all about job hunting or whatever, but I can't see it as being too hard to find a job with a masters degree. Now I understand the whole "overqualified" issue but it can't be that big of a drawback can it?

Yeah, it is. I don't have a Master's but I couldn't find even crap work because I was overqualified for any of it. I couldn't even get an entry-level or junior position in my own field because they knew I'd be gone in a month or two once something better came around.


One of the more successful approaches to finding an unadvertised job in a tough market is to seek out informational interviews with companies in your area.

Start by making a list of all of the companies that do work related to your field and order them based on your desire to work for the company. Starting with the bottom of the list, try to contact HR and get a 10 to 15 minute informational interview where you can find out information about the company; stick to this 10 to 15 minutes (you are in charge of the interview) and after you get the information you desire about the company try to get the HR person to get you in contact with someone within the company who might be able to give you advice on how to break into the industry. If they get you in contact with someone, try to get an informational interview from them by offering them something like a coffee; and if successful, try to get them to get you in contact with someone else who can give you information about breaking into the industry.

If you follow up appropriately, and have done well with your interview, it is likely that when an opening appears in one of these companies you will be considered before the job is advertised. On a side note, since so few people have the "bawls" to do this, you will have very little competition with this approach.

I tried that several times. The thing is that virtually no one was leaving their job, companies were not expanding, and when they did, they were hiring from within and when you're applying for a senior position, it's almost impossible to break through during those hiring conditions.

2009 was a brutal year on the job market. Before I finally landed a job, I was down to the final four applicants five or six times but couldn't pull it through. It was rough.




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rocketpig said:
Chairman-Mao said:
richardhutnik said:
Chairman-Mao said:

These people aren't lazy. They're just holding out for management positions.

If you have been management, and then try to apply for something not management, it is hard to get into.  Go too far down, and you get "overqualified".  In my case, I have a Masters degree.  Sure, I might be able to land seasonal employment, where you are gone in January.  But for more permanent things?  Well, it is a real challenge.


I'm only 19 and in my undergrad program so I can't speak at all about job hunting or whatever, but I can't see it as being too hard to find a job with a masters degree. Now I understand the whole "overqualified" issue but it can't be that big of a drawback can it?

Yeah, it is. I don't have a Master's but I couldn't find even crap work because I was overqualified for any of it. I couldn't even get an entry-level or junior position in my own field because they knew I'd be gone in a month or two once something better came around.

Wow that's insane, why the hell would someone not hire a guy with a masters degree. Its not like they'd have to pay you more.



HappySqurriel said:
Chairman-Mao said:
richardhutnik said:
Chairman-Mao said:

These people aren't lazy. They're just holding out for management positions.

If you have been management, and then try to apply for something not management, it is hard to get into.  Go too far down, and you get "overqualified".  In my case, I have a Masters degree.  Sure, I might be able to land seasonal employment, where you are gone in January.  But for more permanent things?  Well, it is a real challenge.


I'm only 19 and in my undergrad program so I can't speak at all about job hunting or whatever, but I can't see it as being too hard to find a job with a masters degree. Now I understand the whole "overqualified" issue but it can't be that big of a drawback can it?


As a general guideline, a master's degree makes you more attractive for a few positions and no more attractive for most positions within a field than a bachelor's degree would. In some ways it is a negative because the extra couple of years experience you could have gotten instead of a master's degree is valued far more than the master's degree is. My job market is relatively healthy, and my field within my market has very low unemployment, so this isn't the case at the moment but (in the past) I have seen people with Master's degrees and PHD's struggle because of this. If an employeer can put up a posting and find countless people who have 3 to 5 years experience in a very similar position with strong references it will be very difficult for a new graduate of a master's or PHD program without real world experience to find a job.

That part i underlined makes sense. I see what you mean.