1. Those games weren't released at the same time, and in the same situation.

2. This is about how gamers saw the game, not how it actually is.

3. My point is that if the Wii truly was such a horrible system for selling those games, Blood Stone would have still sold better despite those problems, because the HD systems are supposedly so much better at selling those games.

4. I wasn't denying that. I was just pointing out the tables are turned, and the sales have likewise turned. This shows it's about giving the Wii the games, not the Wii itself.

5. Again, that doesn't matter. I'm discussing why people chose to buy Goldeneye over Blood Stone. What is in the game doesn't matter.

3  see i have a problem with this, you seem to think that HD gamers just buy any old thing which is clearly not the case, had this game been actually more polished AND had more ad time it WOULD have sold better than it is. But its not a polished game.  It goes back to your Wii is bad at selling certain games point. MOst of those games flat out suck. With the HDs they get the best dev teams so they dont suck. If devs put just as much effort into their games as they do Goldeneye on Wii, sales would be good on Wii. THE only one who really tries is Sega

5 whats in the game doesnt matter??? Of course it matters, if your games suck they wont sell. I chose Goldeneye over Bloodstone because it is a better game, period   Isnt that enough reason why its selling better??? is there any other. Wii only owners are buying it cause its the best FPS (IMHO) on the damn Wii. HD gamers who dont have Wii cant buy it and I seriously thought people are buying Wii just for GE, ts not that good.

"you seem to think that HD gamers just buy any old thing which is clearly not the case"

No, that is not what I claimed. I claimed that if those systems sold those games more, then even the weaker ones would have comparatively larger sales. I was just commenting on the BS logic many Wii bashers use, which actually does often come in that way.

"Of course it matters, if your games suck they wont sell. I chose Goldeneye over Bloodstone because it is a better game, period"

I wasn't denying that. The point is that it's usually the other way with the Wii versus the other systems, and that's taken to be a correlation=causation, which is what many assume means those games won't sell on the Wii.

LordtheKnigtht fair enough and points taken, I think the problem with Wii devs. is that they feel since there are not alot of these FPSs or "core" games on Wii anyway, that they can slap some crap together and people will buy it. THe irony is is that they cant seem to grasp that maybe most of those Wii owners or at least half HAVE an HD console, so you really have to try harder on the Wii to make your game stand out from those games. Why would I buy a Wii FPSs if there are a dozen better ones on an HD?? Goldeneye IMO is a step in the right direction, it is a nice throwback to how FPSs played in older gens. Hard to find that on HDs. I think thats why its doing respectable numbers. Where Conduit IMO just wasnt that good, Sega god bless their souls put so much emphasis on that Wiimote that they forgot to actually make the game fun. I might skip out on 2 also unless it is truly better than GE (doubt it)

Um, High Voltage made Conduit. Sega just published it. Conduit 2 might be a lot better (and at least HVS basically admitted the shortcomings were on their end). I'll just wait for word of mouth to see how much it improved.

@lordtheknight  im waiting too, but i dont have that much faith in that dev team, they havent made anything that has really blown me away

Again, that's why I'm waiting and seeing. In short, I'm agreeing with you, but I'm just also cautiously optimistic, and pleased that they didn't blame the audience as a lot of other developers do. That at least means they are willing to improve.

Has anyone in here beat the entire game in OO7 Classic mode?  I forgot how hard it can be when there is no regenerating health.  I'm much more calculated and deliberate with my decisions and movements when I know I'll pay a severe price for just running in guns a blazing.  It was nice of the dev to include the classic option.  Glad to see so many people are enjoying the game.

If games are good on the Wii people will buy it. Very good end of year for fps on the Wii.

Yeah, just that we know for certain it's the quality of the games, and not the audience.