By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Kinect IS Spying on You (wow)

Do you ever read the terms of service agreements that come with software, hardware and firmware updates? I know I don’t. I’m all too happy to scroll on to the end and click “yes.” One astute reader, liberty, took the time to read through the updated Xbox Live terms of service included with yesterday’s Xbox system update – and uncovered some pretty scary stuff.

Remember how we, via Microsoft’s Phil Spencer, assured you that Kinect wasn’t spying on you? It seems that might not be entirely factual; According to the terms of service, they can – and will use Kinect to monitor players.

 Sections 9 and 12 of the updated terms of service are particularly scary :

If you accept the agreement, you “expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.”

Also scary? they reserve the right to monitor your voice and chat sessions using their new camera system. Personal privacy? Not so personal, not so private.

“You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service.” They obviously won’t – and can’t – monitor every single system at the same time, but they say that they have the right to do so “to the maximum extent permitted by law.”

Microsoft also “reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as necessary to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request, or to edit, refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, in Microsoft’s sole discretion.” Break the law in front of your Kinect system? You could be up against the law.

Thinking of disabling or bypassing any of these monitoring systems? Well, that’s illegal. Of course,the TOS has always included sections that one might deem questionable if they favoured privacy – but with the inclusion of camera, it’s edging ever closer to an Orwellian level of surveillance. It seems Big Brother really is watching you.

Read over the new terms of service here : Xbox.com

===========================================================================================

I see someone will need to change their terms of service pretty quickly once this gets out to the mass media...
Oh yea, and pass on the popcorn


Currently Playing: Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked, Professor Layton and the Curious Village

Anticipating: Xenoblade, The Last Story, Mario Kart 7, Rayman Origins, Zelda SS, Crush3D, Tales of the Abyss 3DS, MGS:Snake Eater 3DS, RE:Revelations, Time Travellers, Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney, Luigi's Mansion 2, MH TriG, DQ Monsters, Heroes of Ruin

Around the Network

Xbox, Off!



Atto Suggests...:

Book - Malazan Book of the Fallen series 

Game - Metro Last Light

TV - Deadwood

Music - Forest Swords 

I'm sure this has ocurred to a lot of people already, and not just the ones wearing tinfoil hats.

And a lot of the issues raised are kind of common sense calls. If you're stupid enough to do something blatantly illegal for example, while your face recognizing, voice recognizing, body recognizing camera is live, and you are logged into your account you pretty much deserve to be arrested.

While I don't see the Pot Police kicking down Kinect players' doors anytime soon, people should probably refrain from passing the dutchie on the left hand side while tripping out to the visuals of Child of Eden.

Conversely, if you're working on some world changing billion dollar idea, you probably don't want to do it in a room with a surveillance camera.

Kinect is for games. If you're not playing, and you have concerns about privacy; unplug it.



Play Kinect offline...problem solved.



Attoyou said:

Xbox, Off!


Fuck man i just gushed the water i was drinking through my nose



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

Around the Network

Microsoft Germany allready answered to those claims and said it CAN collect information on you if you break the law or they are forced to give out informations about you. But they won't just spy on every kinect users, thats just bullshit.



Video: Samsung 37" LCD, Topfield 7700HSCI (HD-Sat), Denon DVD-2500BT (BluRay), Denon DVD-1940 (DVD)
Audio: Teufel System 5 THX @ Denon AVR 1910
Consoles: Homebrew Xbox 360 (500GB), Xbox 360 Slim (4GB) + Kinect, Homebrew Nintendo Wii, Homebrew Playstation 3 Slim (250GB)

A hero need not speak. When he is gone, the world will speak for him - BELIEVE

This is to help law enforcement in catching pedophiles, retrieving stolen consoles, retrieving communications for missing people, etc.  I support it since it means protecting people and possibly even saving lives.



The Real reason is to be able to eliminate any bad word about kinect.

 

Wanna see an example?

 

 

xDD!



I'm a Foreigner, and as such, i am grateful for everyone pointing out any mistakes in my english posted above - only this way i'll be able to improve. thank you!

Legend11 said:

This is to help law enforcement in catching pedophiles, retrieving stolen consoles, retrieving communications for missing people, etc.  I support it since it means protecting people and possibly even saving lives.

So I guess you support the police placing a mandatory camera (and maybe a mandatory listening device) in every home? I mean, in addition to catching pedophiles, that will be used to prevent even worse things than retrieiving stolen consoles - it will prevent crimes from being perpetrated or at least catch the perpetrators, prevent abusive parents mistreating their children, prevent rapes, prevent or help solve murders, help prevent the planning and execution of terrorist attacks, and the list is long.



Currently Playing: Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked, Professor Layton and the Curious Village

Anticipating: Xenoblade, The Last Story, Mario Kart 7, Rayman Origins, Zelda SS, Crush3D, Tales of the Abyss 3DS, MGS:Snake Eater 3DS, RE:Revelations, Time Travellers, Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney, Luigi's Mansion 2, MH TriG, DQ Monsters, Heroes of Ruin

*stops jerking off in from of the TV*



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!)