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leatherhat on 04 August 2010
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
Antabus said:
leatherhat said:
BenVTrigger said:
leatherhat said:

A world without halo? A man can dream.


Ironic considering your PSN Avatar is a Killzone Helghast.

Killzone wouldn't even exist without Halo sooo......


I'd totally be cool with that. I just like the helghast look. And without halo the gaming world would be a much better place.

Really? Why is that?


Halo came into the world as the only decent game on xbox with mainstream and casual appeal. Since it had literally zero competition it became a huge hit. Other devs saw the sales numbers but none of the reasons why it sold well and started to churn out mediocre fps after mediocre fps to the detriment of all other genres (and the fps market which is flooded with crap). Halo also brought with it the success of console online, and while devs focused solely on that, strong single player modes and local multiplayer, console gamings bread and butter, fell to the wayside in favor of slapping in some deathmatch and ctf modes.

You really just don't have a clue do you?

I guess not, care to enlighten me about what was wrong with what I said?



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huaxiong90 on 04 August 2010

If it didn't exist, I would've missed out on one of the greatest single-player experiences ever (Halo: CE), and an enjoyable multiplayer (though I have played better games in the online side, both on PC and on consoles). But then again, multiplayer gaming on consoles wouldn't be what it is today either.

There is only one criticism I have about the game's impact on the industry, but I'd rather keep it to myself because it's a rather controversial topic.



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yo_john117 on 04 August 2010
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
Antabus said:
leatherhat said:
BenVTrigger said:
leatherhat said:

A world without halo? A man can dream.


Ironic considering your PSN Avatar is a Killzone Helghast.

Killzone wouldn't even exist without Halo sooo......


I'd totally be cool with that. I just like the helghast look. And without halo the gaming world would be a much better place.

Really? Why is that?


Halo came into the world as the only decent game on xbox with mainstream and casual appeal.

True can't argue with this.

Since it had literally zero competition it became a huge hit.

Zero competition is part of the reason why it became a big hit but the biggest reason why it became a huge hit was because it was a masterpiece and was an amazing lan multiplayer game.

Other devs saw the sales numbers but none of the reasons why it sold well and started to churn out mediocre fps after mediocre fps to the detriment of all other genres (and the fps market which is flooded with crap).

While I won't disagree that the FPS market is getting pretty crowded with crap but there are arguable a TON of amazing FPS games that were most likely created because of how big of a hit Halo was.   

Halo also brought with it the success of console online, and while devs focused solely on that, strong single player modes and local multiplayer, console gamings bread and butter, fell to the wayside in favor of slapping in some deathmatch and ctf modes.

That's not true there are plenty of FPS's with really good campaigns.  All the Halo's, Killzone 2, Bioshock 2 and 2, And a lot of the COD games just to name a few.

You really just don't have a clue do you?

I guess not, care to enlighten me about what was wrong with what I said?

FPS's would be nothing without Halo...It really is a masterpiece of a game.....and the fact that so many people have had TONS of fun due to Halo and what came from it means the gaming world would have been much worse without it.



leatherhat on 04 August 2010
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
Antabus said:
leatherhat said:
BenVTrigger said:
leatherhat said:

A world without halo? A man can dream.


Ironic considering your PSN Avatar is a Killzone Helghast.

Killzone wouldn't even exist without Halo sooo......


I'd totally be cool with that. I just like the helghast look. And without halo the gaming world would be a much better place.

Really? Why is that?


Halo came into the world as the only decent game on xbox with mainstream and casual appeal.

True can't argue with this.

Since it had literally zero competition it became a huge hit.

Zero competition is part of the reason why it became a big hit but the biggest reason why it became a huge hit was because it was a masterpiece and was an amazing lan multiplayer game.

Other devs saw the sales numbers but none of the reasons why it sold well and started to churn out mediocre fps after mediocre fps to the detriment of all other genres (and the fps market which is flooded with crap).

While I won't disagree that the FPS market is getting pretty crowded with crap but there are arguable a TON of amazing FPS games that were most likely created because of how big of a hit Halo was.   

Halo also brought with it the success of console online, and while devs focused solely on that, strong single player modes and local multiplayer, console gamings bread and butter, fell to the wayside in favor of slapping in some deathmatch and ctf modes.

That's not true there are plenty of FPS's with really good campaigns.  All the Halo's, Killzone 2, Bioshock 2 and 2, And a lot of the COD games just to name a few.

You really just don't have a clue do you?

I guess not, care to enlighten me about what was wrong with what I said?

FPS's would be nothing without Halo...It really is a masterpiece of a game.....and the fact that so many people have had TONS of fun due to Halo and what came from it means the gaming world would have been much worse without it.

FPS  games have been around a long time before halo, and at a much higher quality. FPS games have gone way downhill because there is no reason to try and make quality when people will just eat the same garbage over and over again. And if you truly think this i suggest you go out some older fps games that did what halo did better and earlier.



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yo_john117 on 04 August 2010
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
Antabus said:
leatherhat said:
BenVTrigger said:
leatherhat said:

A world without halo? A man can dream.


Ironic considering your PSN Avatar is a Killzone Helghast.

Killzone wouldn't even exist without Halo sooo......


I'd totally be cool with that. I just like the helghast look. And without halo the gaming world would be a much better place.

Really? Why is that?


Halo came into the world as the only decent game on xbox with mainstream and casual appeal.

True can't argue with this.

Since it had literally zero competition it became a huge hit.

Zero competition is part of the reason why it became a big hit but the biggest reason why it became a huge hit was because it was a masterpiece and was an amazing lan multiplayer game.

Other devs saw the sales numbers but none of the reasons why it sold well and started to churn out mediocre fps after mediocre fps to the detriment of all other genres (and the fps market which is flooded with crap).

While I won't disagree that the FPS market is getting pretty crowded with crap but there are arguable a TON of amazing FPS games that were most likely created because of how big of a hit Halo was.   

Halo also brought with it the success of console online, and while devs focused solely on that, strong single player modes and local multiplayer, console gamings bread and butter, fell to the wayside in favor of slapping in some deathmatch and ctf modes.

That's not true there are plenty of FPS's with really good campaigns.  All the Halo's, Killzone 2, Bioshock 2 and 2, And a lot of the COD games just to name a few.

You really just don't have a clue do you?

I guess not, care to enlighten me about what was wrong with what I said?

FPS's would be nothing without Halo...It really is a masterpiece of a game.....and the fact that so many people have had TONS of fun due to Halo and what came from it means the gaming world would have been much worse without it.

FPS  games have been around a long time before halo, and at a much higher quality. FPS games have gone way downhill because there is no reason to try and make quality when people will just eat the same garbage over and over again. And if you truly think this i suggest you go out some older fps games that did what halo did better and earlier.

I don't think FPS games have gone downhill, games like Halo Reach, Half-Life 2, COD4, Killzone 2 and others are a testament to this.

And to my knowledge there aren't any FPS games that did everything that Halo did...I know there are a bunch that did parts of what Halo did but not as a whole package.



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WilliamWatts on 04 August 2010
leatherhat said:
WilliamWatts said:
leatherhat said:


Certainly there are other factors, but the majority of the blame can be laid at the feet of MS, Halo, live and the marketing of them. It changed gaming, for the negative.

Just as you can place the blame for the abundance of open world games on Rockstar, the abundance of 2D/3D platformers on Nintendo and you can place the abundance of car racing games on Sony. Only really you can't because there isn't an abundance of these any more as all the copies turned into relative or absolute failures. Since we're now a generation beyond the first Halo game the abundance of FPS games can only really be blamed on the fact that they are really popular and are the most consistantly successful genre on the HD consoles at present.

 


But then, aren't we agreeing on the same thing? No GTA3 no open world boom, no halo no crappy fps/ console online boom. And of course there's COD, which has been carrying on halos legacy of disaster.

Nope because those copy cats subsequently died down. The console shooter genre has grown substantially from having a single 5M franchise on consoles to having two 10M selling franchises and multiple 5M selling franchises. The shooter genre has grown inspite of Halo, and infact Halo has been surpassed.



leatherhat on 04 August 2010
WilliamWatts said:
leatherhat said:
WilliamWatts said:
leatherhat said:


Certainly there are other factors, but the majority of the blame can be laid at the feet of MS, Halo, live and the marketing of them. It changed gaming, for the negative.

Just as you can place the blame for the abundance of open world games on Rockstar, the abundance of 2D/3D platformers on Nintendo and you can place the abundance of car racing games on Sony. Only really you can't because there isn't an abundance of these any more as all the copies turned into relative or absolute failures. Since we're now a generation beyond the first Halo game the abundance of FPS games can only really be blamed on the fact that they are really popular and are the most consistantly successful genre on the HD consoles at present.

 


But then, aren't we agreeing on the same thing? No GTA3 no open world boom, no halo no crappy fps/ console online boom. And of course there's COD, which has been carrying on halos legacy of disaster.

Nope because those copy cats subsequently died down. The console shooter genre has grown substantially from having a single 5M franchise on consoles to having two 10M selling franchises and multiple 5M selling franchises. The shooter genre has grown inspite of Halo, and infact Halo has been surpassed.


But halo was the start of it all. No halo, no boom.



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leatherhat on 04 August 2010
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:

You really just don't have a clue do you

I guess not, care to enlighten me about what was wrong with what I said?

FPS's would be nothing without Halo...It really is a masterpiece of a game.....and the fact that so many people have had TONS of fun due to Halo and what came from it means the gaming world would have been much worse without it.

FPS  games have been around a long time before halo, and at a much higher quality. FPS games have gone way downhill because there is no reason to try and make quality when people will just eat the same garbage over and over again. And if you truly think this i suggest you go out some older fps games that did what halo did better and earlier.

I don't think FPS games have gone downhill, games like Halo Reach, Half-Life 2, COD4, Killzone 2 and others are a testament to this.

And to my knowledge there aren't any FPS games that did everything that Halo did...I know there are a bunch that did parts of what Halo did but not as a whole package

Looks towards PC, thats where the quality is.



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yo_john117 on 04 August 2010
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
leatherhat said:
yo_john117 said:
 

You really just don't have a clue do you

I guess not, care to enlighten me about what was wrong with what I said?

FPS's would be nothing without Halo...It really is a masterpiece of a game.....and the fact that so many people have had TONS of fun due to Halo and what came from it means the gaming world would have been much worse without it.

FPS  games have been around a long time before halo, and at a much higher quality. FPS games have gone way downhill because there is no reason to try and make quality when people will just eat the same garbage over and over again. And if you truly think this i suggest you go out some older fps games that did what halo did better and earlier.

I don't think FPS games have gone downhill, games like Halo Reach, Half-Life 2, COD4, Killzone 2 and others are a testament to this.

And to my knowledge there aren't any FPS games that did everything that Halo did...I know there are a bunch that did parts of what Halo did but not as a whole package

Looks towards PC, thats where the quality is.

Only in your opinion....



Salnax on 04 August 2010

The XBox would probably still be somewhat popular, though it would rely heavily on Tom Clancy games. The GameCube would probably surpass it, but the Box would still beat the Dreamcast. As for the FPS genre, it would still be a beast, albiet one with a bit less sci-fi and a bit more gritty realism.



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