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jarrod on 16 June 2010
joeorc said:
jarrod said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
joeorc said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:

Oh God i just realised that if devs apply the same strategy they used on the DS -> 3DS (missed the boat at first but make up for it on the next system), Wii's successor is gonna have some serious support!

Now i'm pumped xD

maybe or maybe not..the big problem the Wii is not the DS esp. the 3DS. what make's the 3DS support by 3RD parties is mainly because it is the First 3D handheld for the mass market as a dedicated 3D handheld game machine. the Wii is not set for that. because there is not a 3D screen that come's with the Wii. and if it did it would cost quite a bit. even the next Wii if it did come with a dedicated 3D screen it's going to be still expensive.

the Game console's are not the same as the Handheld market.


This is true.

I just meant that maybe developers saw that they lost a huge opportunity with the DS and now are making up for it on the 3DS and that the same logic could apply to the Wii. That is of course assuming that they aren't supporting it because of 3D but because they think it will be the market leader following DS's success. Same thing can apply to Wii.

Pretty much, and this is more or less what I'm expecting.  Especially out of Japan, though I dunno if the pre-launch wave will be quite this dramatic.  Western support will probably be better than 3DS even though.

3rd parties definitely understand that they missed the boat on Wii by betting the farm on PS360, I doubt they'll be making the same sort of mistake next cycle.  Plus Wii's successor will probably be an attractive home for quick "Director's Cut" or "Wii Edition" versions and remixes of big PS360 games early on (RE5, etc).

i would disagree with that about betting the farm on the PS360 because there is also the PC. many multi-platform game's are also for the PC also. and one of the big drawback's of the Wii is it's online structure. it's not as robust as both the xbox360's the PS3's or the PC's. it's by no mean's poor or anything like that but it's missing some thing's that hurt it.

Eh, I'm talking mainly from the console sphere.  Sure PC may be a key resource if you're Valve or Bioware, but not so much if you're Konami or Namco.  Online infrastructure could be an issue, but it's not like PSN and XBL are on even ground there either.  And really, if Harmonix or Treyarch or Capcom or even a small shovelware dev like HVS can do it on Wii, there's not much logistically keeping everyone else away.  Excuses are just that; excuses.

The problem with Wii this gen was weak upfront support followed by mountains of shovelware, leading to a lack of key market/brand-building upfront and a loss in Wii consumer trust even when it comes to some brands (Hello Ubisoft!).  Really it was a failure on both Nintendo and 3rd parties' parts (both were slow to react properly to Wii's record growth and speedy market dominance), and Iwata's comments at the conference (leading into that stunning 3DS 3rd party deluge) show a pretty stark change in direction for all involved.  Wii 2 will guaranteed have a better upfront push than Wii 1 did, and likely a better 3rd party push than PS4 or Xbox 3 as well...



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zzamaro on 16 June 2010
Veder Juda said:

Sony's biggest advantage was third party support; third parties threw their biggest handheld games on the PSP because they thought it would eclipse the DS the way the PSX and PS2 beat the N64 and Cube.  When that didn't pan out, third parties found themselves out in the cold; many of their fans bought a PSP, and din't want to see third parties move to the DS, while the early third party DS games were underwhelming and aliened people who bought the DS. 

By shortchanging the DS early, they got screwed in the long run when the DS took off; and then they repeated their performance on the Wii.  After missing the boat twice, third parties do not want to let another Nintendo system slip past them again, and are backing the 3DS early and heavily.  Without the advantage of exclusive third party support, there is little chance the PSP2 could compete effectively against the 3DS.

At this point, I imagine that Sony is developing a PSP2, but if third parties are cold to it because they are supporting the 3DS, Sony may decide it's a lost cause and cancel it before announcing it.



I agreed, we still need to see if Sony is going to have 3rd party support but I think I doubt. 3DS is not out yet and we can be sure it will be a success but we can't ignore that Sony may be hiding something...everybody said PS3 was a failure and had no support and we can see know that that have changed..



Sorry for bad English.

 

Severance on 16 June 2010

Edit : wrong thread sorry.



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joeorc on 16 June 2010
jarrod said:
joeorc said:
jarrod said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
joeorc said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:

Oh God i just realised that if devs apply the same strategy they used on the DS -> 3DS (missed the boat at first but make up for it on the next system), Wii's successor is gonna have some serious support!

Now i'm pumped xD

maybe or maybe not..the big problem the Wii is not the DS esp. the 3DS. what make's the 3DS support by 3RD parties is mainly because it is the First 3D handheld for the mass market as a dedicated 3D handheld game machine. the Wii is not set for that. because there is not a 3D screen that come's with the Wii. and if it did it would cost quite a bit. even the next Wii if it did come with a dedicated 3D screen it's going to be still expensive.

the Game console's are not the same as the Handheld market.


This is true.

I just meant that maybe developers saw that they lost a huge opportunity with the DS and now are making up for it on the 3DS and that the same logic could apply to the Wii. That is of course assuming that they aren't supporting it because of 3D but because they think it will be the market leader following DS's success. Same thing can apply to Wii.

Pretty much, and this is more or less what I'm expecting.  Especially out of Japan, though I dunno if the pre-launch wave will be quite this dramatic.  Western support will probably be better than 3DS even though.

3rd parties definitely understand that they missed the boat on Wii by betting the farm on PS360, I doubt they'll be making the same sort of mistake next cycle.  Plus Wii's successor will probably be an attractive home for quick "Director's Cut" or "Wii Edition" versions and remixes of big PS360 games early on (RE5, etc).

i would disagree with that about betting the farm on the PS360 because there is also the PC. many multi-platform game's are also for the PC also. and one of the big drawback's of the Wii is it's online structure. it's not as robust as both the xbox360's the PS3's or the PC's. it's by no mean's poor or anything like that but it's missing some thing's that hurt it.

Eh, I'm talking mainly from the console sphere.  Sure PC may be a key resource if you're Valve or Bioware, but not so much if you're Konami or Namco.  Online infrastructure could be an issue, but it's not like PSN and XBL are on even ground there either.  And really, if Harmonix or Treyarch or Capcom or even a small shovelware dev like HVS can do it on Wii, there's not much logistically keeping everyone else away.  Excuses are just that; excuses.

The problem with Wii this gen was weak upfront support followed by mountains of shovelware, leading to a lack of key market/brand-building upfront and a loss in Wii consumer trust even when it comes to some brands (Hello Ubisoft!).  Really it was a failure on both Nintendo and 3rd parties' parts (both were slow to react properly to Wii's record growth and speedy market dominance), and Iwata's comments at the conference (leading into that stunning 3DS 3rd party deluge) show a pretty stark change in direction for all involved.  Wii 2 will guaranteed have a better upfront push than Wii 1 did, and likely a better 3rd party push than PS4 or Xbox 3 as well...

it will get good 3rd party support as long as the Wii's next system is not as seperaded by a hardware gap as it was this generation. which it won't i am pretty sure but as for getting better 3rd party support, i would say do not bet on it.

It will get just as much multiplatform treatment the same as the Ps4 and the xbox3 there is not going to be anyone running away like the previous generation software support from 3rd parties anymore because right now there's no reason too even though the Wii has a great lead, the other platforms are

PS3

XBOX360

PC

combined they offer 3rd parties more money to be made..

the 3rd party EXCLUSIVE Party is just about over with unless you pay for it or help with production or buy the studio 3rd party exclusive's are just about over with.

which is great because that just means it will come down to 1st party to seperate the game system's.



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ps:

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Rainbow Yoshi on 16 June 2010

I hope the HD console fans do not revert to the 3DS ignoring the fact that it is a product of Nintendo!



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RaidenChief88 on 16 June 2010

What I find interesting is how confident most people in this thread are that the 3DS is going to come out and sell a ton of units right off the bat. Didn't the DSi just come out a short time ago? I am not saying the 3DS is not cool or interesting, I just don't think this thing is going to start selling like crazy and not stop.



joeorc on 16 June 2010
RaidenChief88 said:

What I find interesting is how confident most people in this thread are that the 3DS is going to come out and sell a ton of units right off the bat. Didn't the DSi just come out a short time ago? I am not saying the 3DS is not cool or interesting, I just don't think this thing is going to start selling like crazy and not stop.

the 3DS is not the same as the other Ds system's. I think it will sell because of the Way it's seperating the Handheld's apart. unlike the Iphone or PSP or other Smartphone's that play game's this is the only Handheld upfront that does 3D. on a hardware level it's not just software but also dedicated Hardware to make the 3D software a change in how you play game's.

that's the same IDEA as sony has for 3D for the Home theatre.

this is cheaper no doubt, than Sony's option but they are targeting two market's that are not the same. the point being Nintendo is going to be the only handheld with dedicated hardware for 3D in a handheld for a while. and with already 3rd party's getting in line to make game's for it. it's going to be a fantastic handheld.

now price may be a factor, which hurt the DSi. that's the real reason that and not much of a percieved upgrade over the DS which it was but many did not think so. this on the other hand is a big upgrade that overshadow's the orig. Ds.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

joeorc on 16 June 2010
Rainbow Yoshi said:

I hope the HD console fans do not revert to the 3DS ignoring the fact that it is a product of Nintendo!

does it matter ?. 3DS is a handheld, many xbox360 an PS3 and PSP owner's own a DS i know i do.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Rainbow Yoshi on 16 June 2010
RaidenChief88 said:

What I find interesting is how confident most people in this thread are that the 3DS is going to come out and sell a ton of units right off the bat. Didn't the DSi just come out a short time ago? I am not saying the 3DS is not cool or interesting, I just don't think this thing is going to start selling like crazy and not stop.


You are entitled to your own opinion. For the 3DS to sell at a frequent rate advertising will need to performed. You should also consider the wide variety of games that will be released on the 3DS and their different genres, spreading the appeal to more people. 



jarrod on 16 June 2010
joeorc said:

it will get good 3rd party support as long as the Wii's next system is not as seperaded by a hardware gap as it was this generation. which it won't i am pretty sure but as for getting better 3rd party support, i would say do not bet on it.

It will get just as much multiplatform treatment the same as the Ps4 and the xbox3 there is not going to be anyone running away like the previous generation software support from 3rd parties anymore because right now there's no reason too even though the Wii has a great lead, the other platforms are

PS3

XBOX360

PC

combined they offer 3rd parties more money to be made..

the 3rd party EXCLUSIVE Party is just about over with unless you pay for it or help with production or buy the studio 3rd party exclusive's are just about over with.

which is great because that just means it will come down to 1st party to seperate the game system's.

I think it really depends on if Wii's successor has anything to differentiate itself.  Also as the cycle goes on though, don't be surprised if the 3rd placer gets squeezed out GameCube style.  Coming from a position of market leadership also puts Nintendo in a better position to nab key exclusives... I mean if they go to Capcom and say "hey, we want Monster Hunter 4 for Wii HiFi" do you really think they'd lose it to either Sony or MS?  

Also, I'd say it's arguable if there's really "more to be made" on PCS360 versus Wii, really it all comes down to context.  I mean what answer will you get if you ask Sega?  Ubisoft?  Hudson?  Valve?  I think it varies greatly depending on who you are, and what exactly you've actually invested into each platform.  PCS360 have certainly seen miles more investment, but the ROI might not be all that great considering how  shockingly many developers are laying off, selling out and even shutting their doors this generation.