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Louie on 03 December 2007
PDF said:
 

 

I meant Profits. I saw a graph not to long ago showing the last 7 years as the gaming industry as a whole and the Chart improved each year. I am trying to find the Chart but I am not seeing to have any luck.

you show the transition year from one gen to the next. Of course there will be a drop in sells but after than initial drop it only increases.

 

Shall I post the graphs of 2000 when the PS2 was released? It shows about 40 million software units, nearly no difference, and 10 million hardware units, nearly no difference then 2003 again.

Profits? ... I´ll go by Fkusumot and just stop this now. Everyone knows profits were getting smaller with every generation since PSX and N64...

 



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Nick on 03 December 2007
PDF said:
fkusumot
Who do you think I am.

Also I think we are getting of topic of this forum. I think the Wii is overestimated because in the long term people will want a gaming machine that can take them to the next lvl.

If by "next lvl" you means prettier graphics, then I guess it's easy to see why the industry might become stale after a while. I mean that's been the natural progression of things since the industry was born. At some point people are going to want something new.

When I actually swing a golf club, go skiing, or choke some Tattaglia's to death in my living room, I feel like I've reached the "next lvl".



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famousringo on 03 December 2007
Nick said:
PDF said:
fkusumot
Who do you think I am.

Also I think we are getting of topic of this forum. I think the Wii is overestimated because in the long term people will want a gaming machine that can take them to the next lvl.

If by "next lvl" you means prettier graphics, then I guess it's easy to see why the industry might become stale after a while. I mean that's been the natural progression of things since the industry was born. At some point people are going to want something new.

When I actually swing a golf club, go skiing, or choke some Tattaglia's to death in my living room, I feel like I've reached the "next lvl".


One of these days, you'll stop fooling yourself and realise that you don't want immersive gameplay or outstanding controls. You'll realize that texels, shader effects, and resolution are all that matter.

And then I guess you'll sell your Wii and spend all your time at the IMAX theatre. OMG photorealism. 



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fkusumot on 03 December 2007
PDF said:
fkusumot
Who do you think I am.


 I think you're that guy who doesn't speak english as a first language. Why spoil it past that.



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Rath on 03 December 2007
PDF said:
@SSj2 - I agree PC is better but I do not think more people play those games on the PC over Console.
@my point is the wii is for Kids and families and that will die down. The perception of the Wii is: It is all good and joy it is safe kid friendly system and parents will be ably to play it with thier kids too. That is why it is selling so well now. In 2 years people will have goten bored of it and it's novelty will go down. It isnt selling because of games but because of perception. Only games I want on the Wii are Super Smash and SMG after that I am done.

 Thank you for your opinion and I disagree completely. Last generation the GC was treated as a kiddy console because of the fact that it looked like a lunchbox and had few mature games, they have overcome that with the Wii (even though they made it look like an ornament, called it the Wii and it still lacks mature games) purely by making it the party console. Many people in their late teens that I know (anecdotal evidence! Dont you love it) are now buying or thinking about buying the Wii despite the fact that they were avid PS2/Box supporters last generation because they think it has solid gaming experiences and an opportunity to get drunk and play Wii Sports with your mates.

In other words it suits kids and adults with much of its selection of games (though anybody who doesnt enjoy Zelda, Mario, SSB or Metroid shouldnt call themselves a gamer =P) but it also suits teenagers, who previously have been a FPS market, through its party and social nature. 



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CrazzyMan on 03 December 2007

Who won`t buy Wii for 99$? The end. =)



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

PS-She on 03 December 2007
Rath said:
PS-She said:
 

I'm going to rant for a little bit so bear with me.

I generally hate the argument that improved graphics don't matter, because you know what? They do.

There's a reason that almost every review in the past 10 years has included graphics/looks on its scale. I'll give you a clue, it's because it's important. Everyone was fine with that until the Wii came around. Now because the Wii is so shitty that it can't even render a pair of waffles in HD, suddenly graphics don't matter. They're suddenly not an improvement.

I'm sorry, but that's a lame argument. It's akin to what you'd expect to hear out of a 7 year old.

Child 1: You got an F on your Math test. Ha ha!
Child 2: Oh yeah, well... Math doesn't matter!

That's honestly what the "graphics aren't an improvement" argument and the people who repeat it sound like-7 year olds. The argument itself is the retarded offspring of a bunch of fanboys trying to save their pride since their console sucks at making awesome graphics and represents little actual improvement in the graphic or sound area.

Keep using that argument though. Save your pride. Don't consider graphics an improvement. I'll be enjoying my PS3 with its amazingly well rendered environments and the many breathtaking visual effects of its games. Wii fans can enjoy their SMG complete with jaggies and a system so weak it can't even render Mario some shoe laces.


I don't know about you but I'd far rather worry about a game being fun than worrying if I can see Mario's shoelaces.

Thats not to say graphics aren't important in many games they are and in some games they are extremely important. To a first person shooter that aims to create a horror atmosphere graphics are important, in a racing game graphics are important, in a platformer not so much and in a puzzle game hardly at all. Graphics however is always at the very least third in my personal list of requirments for a game, with gameplay and length above it, sometimes its even lower with audio being a more important factor.

Oh and having subpar graphics is not like failing maths as maths is one of the most important subjects at school, its like failing physical education. Phys Ed makes you look good and requires a lot of power but it doesnt actually make you an academic.


Graphics and fun are not somehow mutually exclusive.  That's another argument that needs to die.



HappySqurriel on 03 December 2007
PS-She said:
Rath said:
PS-She said:
 

I'm going to rant for a little bit so bear with me.

I generally hate the argument that improved graphics don't matter, because you know what? They do.

There's a reason that almost every review in the past 10 years has included graphics/looks on its scale. I'll give you a clue, it's because it's important. Everyone was fine with that until the Wii came around. Now because the Wii is so shitty that it can't even render a pair of waffles in HD, suddenly graphics don't matter. They're suddenly not an improvement.

I'm sorry, but that's a lame argument. It's akin to what you'd expect to hear out of a 7 year old.

Child 1: You got an F on your Math test. Ha ha!
Child 2: Oh yeah, well... Math doesn't matter!

That's honestly what the "graphics aren't an improvement" argument and the people who repeat it sound like-7 year olds. The argument itself is the retarded offspring of a bunch of fanboys trying to save their pride since their console sucks at making awesome graphics and represents little actual improvement in the graphic or sound area.

Keep using that argument though. Save your pride. Don't consider graphics an improvement. I'll be enjoying my PS3 with its amazingly well rendered environments and the many breathtaking visual effects of its games. Wii fans can enjoy their SMG complete with jaggies and a system so weak it can't even render Mario some shoe laces.


I don't know about you but I'd far rather worry about a game being fun than worrying if I can see Mario's shoelaces.

Thats not to say graphics aren't important in many games they are and in some games they are extremely important. To a first person shooter that aims to create a horror atmosphere graphics are important, in a racing game graphics are important, in a platformer not so much and in a puzzle game hardly at all. Graphics however is always at the very least third in my personal list of requirments for a game, with gameplay and length above it, sometimes its even lower with audio being a more important factor.

Oh and having subpar graphics is not like failing maths as maths is one of the most important subjects at school, its like failing physical education. Phys Ed makes you look good and requires a lot of power but it doesnt actually make you an academic.


Graphics and fun are not somehow mutually exclusive.  That's another argument that needs to die.


They're not mutually exclusive, but (generally speaking) when you're taking 200 people and developing a game for $40 Million the game is "designed by committee" and the fun is lost. Many of the most fun (and best selling) games from the SNES/Genesis, Playstation/N4, or PS2/XBox/Gamecube generations would not be made today because a publisher would not be willing to produce a $10 to $40 Million game which was not based on an established genre; even if they scaled back the budget by using more modest graphics publishers would not green light a PS3 project because "Texels are what Gamers crave" ...



EHSTEVE on 03 December 2007
llewdebkram said:
Because they don't stop and think how well Nintendo consoles are made compared to Sony's who's break down easily, which is a why I believe a significant number of PS1/PS2 purchases are by the same people buying after breakdown.

 So.... in your opinion, more than 20 million people owned 2 or more ps2s



Rath on 03 December 2007
PS-She said:
Rath said:
 

I don't know about you but I'd far rather worry about a game being fun than worrying if I can see Mario's shoelaces.

Thats not to say graphics aren't important in many games they are and in some games they are extremely important. To a first person shooter that aims to create a horror atmosphere graphics are important, in a racing game graphics are important, in a platformer not so much and in a puzzle game hardly at all. Graphics however is always at the very least third in my personal list of requirments for a game, with gameplay and length above it, sometimes its even lower with audio being a more important factor.

Oh and having subpar graphics is not like failing maths as maths is one of the most important subjects at school, its like failing physical education. Phys Ed makes you look good and requires a lot of power but it doesnt actually make you an academic.


Graphics and fun are not somehow mutually exclusive. That's another argument that needs to die.


Did I ever say that? I was merely stating that graphics don't make a game fun. Graphics are nearly independent of enjoyment, they actually add very little to how much fun you have while playing a game.

 Of course graphics whores will disagree with me but hey, thats my opinion and the opinion of most Wii fans.