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jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
great now people are going to claim $100 just for the fun of it, way to jump on the bandwagon, I really hope Sony sue George Hotz and he get's the bill for tall of this, honestly it is the least he deserves, after his delusional thoughts on how nothing bad would come from his lame move

George Hotz made the executive decision to no longer support OtherOS? That's news to me...

 

Seriously though, Sony could have put the effort into maintaining the feature against hacking but they just planned not to go any further with it.

 

Do you think the owner of a house has any chance of suing a burglar if they left their front door wide open?

bad comparison, sony did not leave the door open, George Hotz had to use a special technique just to hack the PS3 in linux, just to remind you unlike the other consoles it has taken 3 years to get this far.

Yes, but unlike the reciprocation from other systems supporting Operating Systems, they don't go as far to cut out an entire feature.

 

Imagine if Microsoft decided to one day say "Well, we figured the weakest point for people hacking our OS lies in them connecting t the internet, so Windows will no longer suport the TCP/IP protocol". Wouldn't that annoy just a few people, at least?

oh dear you see that's where your argument fails, windows is not the most secure operating system, I thought people knew this, just switch to linux for a while you get no(or a litlle amount) security or virus issues, linux is much better at protecting your pc, you see there are other companies out there which are better than microsoft at making software believe it or not.

Linux is open source. As far as I know, there are no executive decisions involved there.

Yes, Linux is more secure and such, so what does that have to do with the argument? If the same flaw was found for Linux, atempts would be made to FIX THE PROBLEM, not remove the feature altogether.

This is clearly just a cost-cutting measure by Sony, since they no longer wish to spend the money in maintaining the integirty of the feature against hackers.



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fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
great now people are going to claim $100 just for the fun of it, way to jump on the bandwagon, I really hope Sony sue George Hotz and he get's the bill for tall of this, honestly it is the least he deserves, after his delusional thoughts on how nothing bad would come from his lame move

George Hotz made the executive decision to no longer support OtherOS? That's news to me...

 

Seriously though, Sony could have put the effort into maintaining the feature against hacking but they just planned not to go any further with it.

 

Do you think the owner of a house has any chance of suing a burglar if they left their front door wide open?

bad comparison, sony did not leave the door open, George Hotz had to use a special technique just to hack the PS3 in linux, just to remind you unlike the other consoles it has taken 3 years to get this far.

Yes, but unlike the reciprocation from other systems supporting Operating Systems, they don't go as far to cut out an entire feature.

 

Imagine if Microsoft decided to one day say "Well, we figured the weakest point for people hacking our OS lies in them connecting t the internet, so Windows will no longer suport the TCP/IP protocol". Wouldn't that annoy just a few people, at least?

oh dear you see that's where your argument fails, windows is not the most secure operating system, I thought people knew this, just switch to linux for a while you get no(or a litlle amount) security or virus issues, linux is much better at protecting your pc, you see there are other companies out there which are better than microsoft at making software believe it or not.

Linux is open source. As far as I know, there are no executive decisions involved there.

Yes, Linux is more secure and such, so what does that have to do with the argument? If the same flaw was found for Linux, atempts would be made to FIX THE PROBLEM, not remove the feature altogether.

This is clearly just a cost-cutting measure by Sony, since they no longer wish to spend the money in maintaining the integirty of the feature against hackers.

this is not a cost-cutting measure, sony could not have made changes like that by themselves as they was not responsible for making the flavour of linux availabe to the ps3.

you really should read up on the technique he used, i would love to know how you would have combatted this, and the same to anyone else who thinks sony could have done so much better in such a small amount of time, the ps3 is a very powerful piece of hardware I do not blame them for removing the other os feature.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

If it was on the user agreement that Sony can change the features, then I'm pretty sure that takes care of the European law... since it is a mutual understanding, as well as a signed contract pretty much.  Of course, if a retailer advertised it too, then I can see them having to reimburse customers, since the customer never made any agreements with them.

Correct me if I'm wrong though ;)



jneul said:
sjhillsa said:
jneul said:
sjhillsa said:
jneul said:
sjhillsa said:
dsister44 said:
sjhillsa said:

Yes you do need PSN for single player, try playing VC without the v1.20 patch?  Folklore v1.01 Patch.. Just Cause 2 needed a v1.01 patch when it was released.  My main complaint is VC, as without the patch the game is not as fun to play.  The patch cleared up some important issues with VC.

 

Then again,  I support Sony on this particular issue.  Microsoft and Nintendo would react in the same way if they knew piracy could be prevented.  Well done to the pirate, who through bragging lost a feature for the PS3.

 

No. You do not need the patches to play. I'm talking firmware updates. Patches are not necessary to play the game(except for Borderland)

 

Only firmware updates then I agree, you can 'play' all your games - some may have freezing problems though?  I know Uncharted 1 was freezing upon one firmware update, 3.00? 3.01 fixed it as far as I am aware.  But...without patches games aren't as good.  Look at Batman or..Motorstorm Pacfic Rift they enhanced the game by giving away free challenge maps(Batman) and skins(Pacific Rift).  If you don't have the internet, your stuffed.  And if you do have the internet, then you are missing out on content, and particularly patches without a firmware update.  Most firmware updates are mandatory, which I disagree with.  Sometimes it feels that I am always updating the firmware... Sony I just want to play my games and grab patches and checkout the PSN store.  Next will be the 3D firmware update..  Anyway, I am ranting..

 

@jneul - VC is definitely an important patch. Grab it when you can ;)

lol I am guilty of being a trophy whore, so I did not get very far on VC, which is probably why I have not experienced many problems on VC, thanks for the heads up.

also I missed out on the updates that was meant to fix uncharted 1, but I never experienced any issues on my ps3, it was weird how only certain people was affected, I have completed uncharted 1 at least three times now, no problems, but I need to test it on my new ps3 slim , lol

Your welcome.  haha, well..don't start playing WKC, as my brother finished it only to have 5% on his trophy list.  He said 'and I didn't even get a trophy for finishing it!'  I laughed, and said 'maybe I should get this game!' haha!

Yeah I had some problems with Uncharted 1, but luckily Sony sorted it.

lol I completed WKC, I did love it so much, I need to motivate myself(for VC, because it is a good game), I kept on hoping to get more trophies on WKC, but GeoNet is addictive, that is where you get your trophies btw;)

Well done for finishing it!  I've got it on order, but like you I have so many games to finish.  FFXIII, Resonance of Fate, Star Ocean too many.  Working on Folklore at the moment :)  I like it.

As for VC, stop being a gossip on the internet and start playing it. haha!  Only joking :)

 

Oh and out of curiousity, how many trophies did you get on WKC?

I am making up for lost time I had a break for two weeks, my own choice of course lol, but yeah on WKC, I got 7% of trophies so far, recently I have been playing FF XIII, which I am currently getting all trophies, then I will go back to WKC, eventually lol

haha! well, you have more trophies than my brother :) Enjoy FFXIII, its' combat is..how shall I say 'Lightning' fast :)  Enjoy your gaming jneul :)



 

jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
great now people are going to claim $100 just for the fun of it, way to jump on the bandwagon, I really hope Sony sue George Hotz and he get's the bill for tall of this, honestly it is the least he deserves, after his delusional thoughts on how nothing bad would come from his lame move

George Hotz made the executive decision to no longer support OtherOS? That's news to me...

 

Seriously though, Sony could have put the effort into maintaining the feature against hacking but they just planned not to go any further with it.

 

Do you think the owner of a house has any chance of suing a burglar if they left their front door wide open?

bad comparison, sony did not leave the door open, George Hotz had to use a special technique just to hack the PS3 in linux, just to remind you unlike the other consoles it has taken 3 years to get this far.

Yes, but unlike the reciprocation from other systems supporting Operating Systems, they don't go as far to cut out an entire feature.

 

Imagine if Microsoft decided to one day say "Well, we figured the weakest point for people hacking our OS lies in them connecting t the internet, so Windows will no longer suport the TCP/IP protocol". Wouldn't that annoy just a few people, at least?

oh dear you see that's where your argument fails, windows is not the most secure operating system, I thought people knew this, just switch to linux for a while you get no(or a litlle amount) security or virus issues, linux is much better at protecting your pc, you see there are other companies out there which are better than microsoft at making software believe it or not.

Linux is open source. As far as I know, there are no executive decisions involved there.

Yes, Linux is more secure and such, so what does that have to do with the argument? If the same flaw was found for Linux, atempts would be made to FIX THE PROBLEM, not remove the feature altogether.

This is clearly just a cost-cutting measure by Sony, since they no longer wish to spend the money in maintaining the integirty of the feature against hackers.

this is not a cost-cutting measure, sony could not have made changes like that by themselves as they was not responsible for making the flavour of linux availabe to the ps3.

you really should read up on the technique he used, i would love to know how you would have combatted this, and the same to anyone else who thinks sony could have done so much better in such a small amount of time, the ps3 is a very powerful piece of hardware I do not blame them for removing the other os feature.

So the PS3 is such a powerful piece of hardware, but one little hack attempt brings the system to it's knees? Does that make ANY sense at all?

Listen, for every compromise made on ANY system, there is always a way in software terms to prevent it. That being said, no system is entirely unhackable either, so that doesn't mean features shold be removed.

What would I do? Let's see. As far as I remember, his hacking attempt involved accessing outside parts of protected memory. If that's the case, then a Virtual Environment would have alleviated the problem. If that is compromised as well? Then it is the fault of the VE and not the hardware, and since the VE is firmware, and maintained by Sony, it could easily be upated in firmware for future attempts.

There is no "Special technique" used by the hackers for this sort of thing. It's the same techniques used anywhere else, exploiting the limits of a binary system from an infinite world. But there will always be a workaround for this type of thing.



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Ajescent said:
yo_john117 said:

Why did they remove it in the first place?


Some dude figured out how to hack ps3s using the OS function and Sony removed as an attempt to prevent mass piracy and so on.

Ah well I think it was a good idea taking that away then.



fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
great now people are going to claim $100 just for the fun of it, way to jump on the bandwagon, I really hope Sony sue George Hotz and he get's the bill for tall of this, honestly it is the least he deserves, after his delusional thoughts on how nothing bad would come from his lame move

George Hotz made the executive decision to no longer support OtherOS? That's news to me...

 

Seriously though, Sony could have put the effort into maintaining the feature against hacking but they just planned not to go any further with it.

 

Do you think the owner of a house has any chance of suing a burglar if they left their front door wide open?

bad comparison, sony did not leave the door open, George Hotz had to use a special technique just to hack the PS3 in linux, just to remind you unlike the other consoles it has taken 3 years to get this far.

Yes, but unlike the reciprocation from other systems supporting Operating Systems, they don't go as far to cut out an entire feature.

 

Imagine if Microsoft decided to one day say "Well, we figured the weakest point for people hacking our OS lies in them connecting t the internet, so Windows will no longer suport the TCP/IP protocol". Wouldn't that annoy just a few people, at least?

oh dear you see that's where your argument fails, windows is not the most secure operating system, I thought people knew this, just switch to linux for a while you get no(or a litlle amount) security or virus issues, linux is much better at protecting your pc, you see there are other companies out there which are better than microsoft at making software believe it or not.

Linux is open source. As far as I know, there are no executive decisions involved there.

Yes, Linux is more secure and such, so what does that have to do with the argument? If the same flaw was found for Linux, atempts would be made to FIX THE PROBLEM, not remove the feature altogether.

This is clearly just a cost-cutting measure by Sony, since they no longer wish to spend the money in maintaining the integirty of the feature against hackers.

this is not a cost-cutting measure, sony could not have made changes like that by themselves as they was not responsible for making the flavour of linux availabe to the ps3.

you really should read up on the technique he used, i would love to know how you would have combatted this, and the same to anyone else who thinks sony could have done so much better in such a small amount of time, the ps3 is a very powerful piece of hardware I do not blame them for removing the other os feature.

So the PS3 is such a powerful piece of hardware, but one little hack attempt brings the system to it's knees? Does that make ANY sense at all?

Listen, for every compromise made on ANY system, there is always a way in software terms to prevent it. That being said, no system is entirely unhackable either, so that doesn't mean features shold be removed.

What would I do? Let's see. As far as I remember, his hacking attempt involved accessing outside parts of protected memory. If that's the case, then a Virtual Environment would have alleviated the problem. If that is compromised as well? Then it is the fault of the VE and not the hardware, and since the VE is firmware, and maintained by Sony, it could easily be upated in firmware for future attempts.

There is no "Special technique" used by the hackers for this sort of thing. It's the same techniques used anywhere else, exploiting the limits of a binary system from an infinite world. But there will always be a workaround for this type of thing.

clicking on report now, you see because you know you are wrong, it is not the ps3 at fault the only way he could hack it is because of linux, even though it is more secure than windows, you can keep on trolling, honestly you are not impressing anyone.

Edit: i would love to see him trying this method without linux on the ps3:):) on gameos, not custom firmware before you get even more clever



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
great now people are going to claim $100 just for the fun of it, way to jump on the bandwagon, I really hope Sony sue George Hotz and he get's the bill for tall of this, honestly it is the least he deserves, after his delusional thoughts on how nothing bad would come from his lame move

George Hotz made the executive decision to no longer support OtherOS? That's news to me...

 

Seriously though, Sony could have put the effort into maintaining the feature against hacking but they just planned not to go any further with it.

 

Do you think the owner of a house has any chance of suing a burglar if they left their front door wide open?

bad comparison, sony did not leave the door open, George Hotz had to use a special technique just to hack the PS3 in linux, just to remind you unlike the other consoles it has taken 3 years to get this far.

Yes, but unlike the reciprocation from other systems supporting Operating Systems, they don't go as far to cut out an entire feature.

 

Imagine if Microsoft decided to one day say "Well, we figured the weakest point for people hacking our OS lies in them connecting t the internet, so Windows will no longer suport the TCP/IP protocol". Wouldn't that annoy just a few people, at least?

oh dear you see that's where your argument fails, windows is not the most secure operating system, I thought people knew this, just switch to linux for a while you get no(or a litlle amount) security or virus issues, linux is much better at protecting your pc, you see there are other companies out there which are better than microsoft at making software believe it or not.

Linux is open source. As far as I know, there are no executive decisions involved there.

Yes, Linux is more secure and such, so what does that have to do with the argument? If the same flaw was found for Linux, atempts would be made to FIX THE PROBLEM, not remove the feature altogether.

This is clearly just a cost-cutting measure by Sony, since they no longer wish to spend the money in maintaining the integirty of the feature against hackers.

this is not a cost-cutting measure, sony could not have made changes like that by themselves as they was not responsible for making the flavour of linux availabe to the ps3.

you really should read up on the technique he used, i would love to know how you would have combatted this, and the same to anyone else who thinks sony could have done so much better in such a small amount of time, the ps3 is a very powerful piece of hardware I do not blame them for removing the other os feature.

So the PS3 is such a powerful piece of hardware, but one little hack attempt brings the system to it's knees? Does that make ANY sense at all?

Listen, for every compromise made on ANY system, there is always a way in software terms to prevent it. That being said, no system is entirely unhackable either, so that doesn't mean features shold be removed.

What would I do? Let's see. As far as I remember, his hacking attempt involved accessing outside parts of protected memory. If that's the case, then a Virtual Environment would have alleviated the problem. If that is compromised as well? Then it is the fault of the VE and not the hardware, and since the VE is firmware, and maintained by Sony, it could easily be upated in firmware for future attempts.

There is no "Special technique" used by the hackers for this sort of thing. It's the same techniques used anywhere else, exploiting the limits of a binary system from an infinite world. But there will always be a workaround for this type of thing.

clicking on report now, you see because you know you are wrong, it is not the ps3 at fault the only way he could hack it is because of linux, even though it is more secure than windows, you can keep on trolling, honestly you are not impressing anyone.

I am dead serious here. Read up on Virtualisation. The operating system in the Virtual environment never talks directly to the hardware, which is the point of compromise. If Linux was running on, say, a PowerPC Virtual Environent, the VE would be responsible for any compromise attempts made towards the hardware and stop it before it's made.

You may call it trolling, I call it keeping to the facts.



fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
great now people are going to claim $100 just for the fun of it, way to jump on the bandwagon, I really hope Sony sue George Hotz and he get's the bill for tall of this, honestly it is the least he deserves, after his delusional thoughts on how nothing bad would come from his lame move

George Hotz made the executive decision to no longer support OtherOS? That's news to me...

 

Seriously though, Sony could have put the effort into maintaining the feature against hacking but they just planned not to go any further with it.

 

Do you think the owner of a house has any chance of suing a burglar if they left their front door wide open?

bad comparison, sony did not leave the door open, George Hotz had to use a special technique just to hack the PS3 in linux, just to remind you unlike the other consoles it has taken 3 years to get this far.

Yes, but unlike the reciprocation from other systems supporting Operating Systems, they don't go as far to cut out an entire feature.

 

Imagine if Microsoft decided to one day say "Well, we figured the weakest point for people hacking our OS lies in them connecting t the internet, so Windows will no longer suport the TCP/IP protocol". Wouldn't that annoy just a few people, at least?

oh dear you see that's where your argument fails, windows is not the most secure operating system, I thought people knew this, just switch to linux for a while you get no(or a litlle amount) security or virus issues, linux is much better at protecting your pc, you see there are other companies out there which are better than microsoft at making software believe it or not.

Linux is open source. As far as I know, there are no executive decisions involved there.

Yes, Linux is more secure and such, so what does that have to do with the argument? If the same flaw was found for Linux, atempts would be made to FIX THE PROBLEM, not remove the feature altogether.

This is clearly just a cost-cutting measure by Sony, since they no longer wish to spend the money in maintaining the integirty of the feature against hackers.

this is not a cost-cutting measure, sony could not have made changes like that by themselves as they was not responsible for making the flavour of linux availabe to the ps3.

you really should read up on the technique he used, i would love to know how you would have combatted this, and the same to anyone else who thinks sony could have done so much better in such a small amount of time, the ps3 is a very powerful piece of hardware I do not blame them for removing the other os feature.

So the PS3 is such a powerful piece of hardware, but one little hack attempt brings the system to it's knees? Does that make ANY sense at all?

Listen, for every compromise made on ANY system, there is always a way in software terms to prevent it. That being said, no system is entirely unhackable either, so that doesn't mean features shold be removed.

What would I do? Let's see. As far as I remember, his hacking attempt involved accessing outside parts of protected memory. If that's the case, then a Virtual Environment would have alleviated the problem. If that is compromised as well? Then it is the fault of the VE and not the hardware, and since the VE is firmware, and maintained by Sony, it could easily be upated in firmware for future attempts.

There is no "Special technique" used by the hackers for this sort of thing. It's the same techniques used anywhere else, exploiting the limits of a binary system from an infinite world. But there will always be a workaround for this type of thing.

clicking on report now, you see because you know you are wrong, it is not the ps3 at fault the only way he could hack it is because of linux, even though it is more secure than windows, you can keep on trolling, honestly you are not impressing anyone.

I am dead serious here. Read up on Virtualisation. The operating system in the Virtual environment never talks directly to the hardware, which is the point of compromise. If Linux was running on, say, a PowerPC Virtual Environent, the VE would be responsible for any compromise attempts made towards the hardware and stop it before it's made.

You may call it trolling, I call it keeping to the facts.

I know what you are going on about, sadly, what makes you think that hackers will not find newer and better ways of getting what they want, it does not matter how many new features you include nothing is unbreakable, unfortunately, and yes I'm being serious, but it really does look so much more than posting facts to me.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
fordy said:
jneul said:
great now people are going to claim $100 just for the fun of it, way to jump on the bandwagon, I really hope Sony sue George Hotz and he get's the bill for tall of this, honestly it is the least he deserves, after his delusional thoughts on how nothing bad would come from his lame move

George Hotz made the executive decision to no longer support OtherOS? That's news to me...

 

Seriously though, Sony could have put the effort into maintaining the feature against hacking but they just planned not to go any further with it.

 

Do you think the owner of a house has any chance of suing a burglar if they left their front door wide open?

bad comparison, sony did not leave the door open, George Hotz had to use a special technique just to hack the PS3 in linux, just to remind you unlike the other consoles it has taken 3 years to get this far.

Yes, but unlike the reciprocation from other systems supporting Operating Systems, they don't go as far to cut out an entire feature.

 

Imagine if Microsoft decided to one day say "Well, we figured the weakest point for people hacking our OS lies in them connecting t the internet, so Windows will no longer suport the TCP/IP protocol". Wouldn't that annoy just a few people, at least?

oh dear you see that's where your argument fails, windows is not the most secure operating system, I thought people knew this, just switch to linux for a while you get no(or a litlle amount) security or virus issues, linux is much better at protecting your pc, you see there are other companies out there which are better than microsoft at making software believe it or not.

Linux is open source. As far as I know, there are no executive decisions involved there.

Yes, Linux is more secure and such, so what does that have to do with the argument? If the same flaw was found for Linux, atempts would be made to FIX THE PROBLEM, not remove the feature altogether.

This is clearly just a cost-cutting measure by Sony, since they no longer wish to spend the money in maintaining the integirty of the feature against hackers.

this is not a cost-cutting measure, sony could not have made changes like that by themselves as they was not responsible for making the flavour of linux availabe to the ps3.

you really should read up on the technique he used, i would love to know how you would have combatted this, and the same to anyone else who thinks sony could have done so much better in such a small amount of time, the ps3 is a very powerful piece of hardware I do not blame them for removing the other os feature.

So the PS3 is such a powerful piece of hardware, but one little hack attempt brings the system to it's knees? Does that make ANY sense at all?

Listen, for every compromise made on ANY system, there is always a way in software terms to prevent it. That being said, no system is entirely unhackable either, so that doesn't mean features shold be removed.

What would I do? Let's see. As far as I remember, his hacking attempt involved accessing outside parts of protected memory. If that's the case, then a Virtual Environment would have alleviated the problem. If that is compromised as well? Then it is the fault of the VE and not the hardware, and since the VE is firmware, and maintained by Sony, it could easily be upated in firmware for future attempts.

There is no "Special technique" used by the hackers for this sort of thing. It's the same techniques used anywhere else, exploiting the limits of a binary system from an infinite world. But there will always be a workaround for this type of thing.

clicking on report now, you see because you know you are wrong, it is not the ps3 at fault the only way he could hack it is because of linux, even though it is more secure than windows, you can keep on trolling, honestly you are not impressing anyone.

I am dead serious here. Read up on Virtualisation. The operating system in the Virtual environment never talks directly to the hardware, which is the point of compromise. If Linux was running on, say, a PowerPC Virtual Environent, the VE would be responsible for any compromise attempts made towards the hardware and stop it before it's made.

You may call it trolling, I call it keeping to the facts.

how would you patch it from something physical! it's not as easy as some of you are making it out to be.

the way geohot used to get into the Hypervisor in it was the use of a board shocker! Geohot would not have even got that far unless he used it and even he was not sure it would have worked!

the fact that it did mean's he bypassed encryption and security when he agreed not too. thus he broke the agreement Not Sony.

he could not have done it anyother way without mod chiping the board. So no! many people tryed it just by software alone and for 3 year's they failed. there is more way's but all require opening up the PS3 and using custom hardware to do it. and I know of another way and it involves another PCB board hooked upto the PS3 but the fact that was not the only thing it also required software and that was also Linux.



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