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Will nextbox use blueray?

yes 77 41.62%
 
no, digital distribution 60 32.43%
 
all consoles will use blue ray 48 25.95%
 
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SpartanFX said:
heedstone said:
joeorc said:
heedstone said:
Squilliam said:
DirtyP2002 said:
heedstone said:

I doubt Microsoft will cave in to Sony on the whole Blu-ray issue.

Also, I don't think Sony will allow Microsoft to use blu-ray, and if they did, I'd expect sony would get a cut.

blu-ray will be superceded by the time the next gen comes around anyway.


the red part is where you fail.

I agree, especially as a Win Mobile 7 Sony phone will allow you to log into both Live and PSN, but probably not at the same time. Oh and it won't be of much benefit as Microsoft can gain the use of HD-DVD quite cheaply if they wanted to, Sony doesn't have the monopoly on high density disc formats and thats ignoring the fact that they control less than 1/3rd of Blu Ray so making dicks of themselves over discs wouldn't be in their best interest.


Sony don't HAVE to be dicks about it, but they can if they want to, they were founding members of the Blu-ray Disc Association and I'm sure they carry a lot of weight there (considering blu-ray wouldn't of succeded without Sony).  And i think Microsoft would grudge paying a fraction of every games profits to Sony (no matter how small). 

There are plenty other easier/better options open to Microsoft.  They don't HAVE to use blu-ray so I can't see them doing so.

It does not work that way, Sony could not deny Microsoft anyway yes sony was one of the founder's of the first BluRay founder's which later became the BDA, but also Even though Sony has been developing Blu-Ray since 1992 Sony was not the only one who has worked on Blu-Ray just like CD format and the DVD format Many companies were in it for creating these disc based format's Sony was only one of these companies, and besides they would not do it anyway because it mean's more Blu-ray devices in the market, thus more BLUE LASER DIODE'S to be sold.

the only thing it would be is a little bit of Microsoft's pride having to support Java over Microsoft's own IHD.

which is why Most likely Microsoft would never support Blu-Ray over the fact that BDA choose the java format for control software over IHD.

which made Microsoft turn away from Blu-Ray in the first place.

 

Fair enough, good points, I doubt Sony could/would actually stop MS from using Blu-ray, but wouldn't MS still have to pay Sony a small amout for every game sold? (I really don't know this, do they?)

This and the fact that MS backed the wrong horse during the blu-ray/HD-DVD race, would surely put MS off using the blu-ray media, when there are plenty of other options available.

And I don't know enough about the java/IHD issue to comment, but I suppose that would be a deterent too.

 

 

@DirtyP2002 I'm unsure if those are valid points about the programs, besides the fact that they're a pretty small fragments of blu ray as a whole, The VC-1 codec sales and distribution is hanlded by Sonic solutions, so It's unclear if MS gets any money from the use of the codec.  And you also forgot to mention that Sony is also a member of the AACS LA.

yea but it seems that you hink these two companies are enemies or have never worked together.Sony pays money to MS on every Vaio sold.they do alot of partnership together since one is a hardware company and one is a software company.

 

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if MS wants  the next box not to be out of date with the market and be able to play HD movies off a physicaal disk(as most gamers are disk collectors aswell),then they don't have much choice.

Yeah, I get where you're coming from.  I know MS makes money everytime anyone sells a PC with windows. Is there much choice involved there though?  Sony needs windows on the viao, and I dont' think MS is allowed to refuse the sell it to them.

MS has plenty other choices available to them other than blu-ray, why use it if they don't have to?

And I'm pretty sure there's some rivalry going on between Sony and MS, they're always making digs at each other.



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SpartanFX said:
scottie said:
Uh, worst quiz ever?

All consoles will use blu ray is equivalent to - Nintendo will not make another console. Nintendo ALWAYS use proprietry storage. They will again.

As for downloadable only, have you seen PSP:Go sales?

As for just the 720 using blu ray - why would they bother using a format where they have to pay a lot to use, when instead they could get the use of a format similar to HD-dvd likely for free?

because toshiba doesn't produce HD DVD anymore and all the manufactury lines of HD DVD are now either closed or produce blu ray.even toshiba makes blu ray now.So cost of creating the disk would go up since you have to make the disk in low numbers(only for xbox) by a 3rd party company.beside it would alinate the next box owners ffrom the movie market and ect...

In the 6th generation, Nintendo researched a new disc format and had someone produce 21 million of them. By predicting the nextbox being unable to use hd-dvd, you are predicting it will sell less than 21 million.

 

As for the movie market, dvd and downloads/streaming will likely be sufficient. If blu ray ends up taking over from dvd, then each house will already have at least 3 blu ray drives in their house by the start of next gen. If blu ray doesnt take over from dvd, then who cares.



@heedstone

"blu-ray will be superceded by the time the next gen comes around anyway."

This one made me laugh! What rock do u live under, dude? BD is on fire! Sales are increasing at an amazing speed. It reached mass adoption last year and is well on it's way to replace DVD. In 3 years time we will have a BD market that will be very close to complete market share of all physical media sales.

Funny, it seems like it's always the people who have never bought films on physical media and file share etc, etc their movies instead who are against physical media and claim that DDL will take over next. I wanna know how having only DDL would be more benificial, cause I cannot see how. I do know it would give companies more control over us consumers and give us less choice over all. BOTH WILL EVENTUALLY CO-EXIST. Is this so hard to see?



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@SpartanFX

"It would alinate the next box owners from the movie market..."

Well, BD is looking to overthrow DVD. When, (not if) this happens then yes, it would. M$ has always used DVD, it would be silly of them not to use BD for the same reason next gen.

Do I think they will, tho?... No. I see this being a positive for SONY if they don't. And to those that say they will continue with only DVD9 for physical media, well, good luck to them if they do. It is already causing problams for M$ using them for this gen.



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If I were Microsoft I would. More storage capacity for games combined with the ease of use for developing would be a win-win situation, we'd get longer, more graphic intensive games and all that. Plus we wouldn't need to worry about regions. It makes the Xbox the complete media center, taking away the Sony marketing point that only their console does Blu-Ray as well.



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It boils down to a thing call pride, since HDdvd lost the format war, M$ might think twice of using BD in the future one thing for sure BD has Sony written all over it.

Like zune which provides HD quality movies we may see games similarly in that kind of format in the near future.

Developers now a days are complaining on how limited the dvd is, take for example recent Capcom game lost planet 2. because of the limitation developers have to resort to DLC's.

iam sure in the developers stand point the BD is more beneficial on how much content they can add with out the need of DLC.

what HanzoThe Razor said, the market of BD is growing, soon enough we'll see BD taking over DVD anytime soon as a physical format.



Iam sure by now RnD for M$ and Wii sees how much potential the BD has too offer.



binary solo said:
None of the above.

All I'm willing to predict is that they won't be using DVD.

I doubt they'll go to 100% DD for games. I don't think the interwebs is well enough developed in all countries to handle DD on that scale, and despite the pace of innovation I think there will still be a lot of countries lacking in the necessary infrastructure by the time nextbox comes out. Certainly here in New Zealand (not a big market I accept) a DD only nextbox within the next 3 or 4 years would fall flat. The transpacific cable that feeds the internet between the USA, NZ and Aussie is already bursting at the seems and holding down connection speeds and data limits. A 2nd cable is in the works, but it hasn't even begun being laid. In 10 years we will definitely have the infrastructure to handle it. So I think the next nextbox (and any other console brands that are still around) will be DD only.

Whether MS lead the way into mass adoption of that holo disc thingy, or uses what will be the pretty cheap blu-ray medium by then I can't really predict. I think whatever way PCs jump the next box will jump.

Are you sure about that cable? Last i heard it was nearing completion



joeorc said:
Squilliam said:
joeorc said:
Squilliam said:
Severance said:
Aion said:
No hd-dvd

HD-DVD is long gone.

Nope, look at the format winning in China.

umm..HD DVD is not the winning format in China. CHDVD  which is not the same as HD DVD nor is it the winning format in China, As a matter of fact Blu-Ray is also approved by the chinese govt as an official format for HD in China.

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/08/homegrown-cbhd-discs-outsell-blu-ray-by-3-1-margin-in-china.ars

The link says it all.

I was wrong about the laser though.

it's still not the winner and most likely never will be:

The ultimate spread of the new format will be controlled partly by its adoption by American movie studios. Of the six major studios, only Warner Brothers is currently shipping its library on CBHD, leaving WB titles and domestic Chinese films as the only legitimate CBHD content.

this has been going on since even before last year:

http://hd.engadget.com/2008/07/28/chinas-blu-ray-competitor-cbhd-brings-hd-dvd-back-from-the-dead/

the very fact that Blu-Ray has 10% of the HD market in China say's alot.

CHDVD is just like DVD great for Pirates not so good for the studio's

 

I don't think at this point, this is a likely option for M$'s next format, but it very well could be for many reason, with cost being Numero Uno.  If M$ was to use this as a format, it would drastically cut down on the cost to make disc for it's next console, while allowing the new console to be fully compatible with people's current volumes of DVDs...personally, I've got over 200 DVD movies, and have ZERO plans to transition them over to a costlier format. 

The other issue addressed is one of space, and this format would very cheaply allow M$ to provide the optical media option for a new console, and there is already a industrial base to support the demand for drives.  Needless to say, this would all but guarantee that the nextbox would have a solid start in China, since the government would smile on this decision by M$. 

@Joeorc, the article link you provided is from 2008, so I there has been developments since then that counter those opinions, such as China’s HUGE push to get CBHD promoted in the Olympic Games, which it did successfully.  Since that time, several foreign studios have cut deal to support the format in China at least, from Warner Brothers to Universal Studios and Paramount, so considering that as of last September, it had a 3-1 edge over BRD…chances are it’s going to gain more momentum. 

I’ll say again, I doubt M$ is looking at this as an option at this moment, but unless they can get strong concessions from the BRD consortium, they are likely going to look at other options, such as a larger HDD for each console, flash or even something like CBHD.  Heck, I can see them providing M$ with a sweetheart deal to get them to use CBHD as a way to break into the market outside of China, and they will have huge cost advantages over brd.



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Piracy is a major concern now, and BD is the answer, jus take the PS3 from the time it was release till today its yet to be cracked. with the exception of the BD movies, if you dont know pirated BD movies are selling now however theres a catch they use DVD9 and is lowered down to 720p or even worst lower of 576p