China legally limits time and money spent on gaming by minors

[EricHiggin]

VAMatt said:

hunter_alien said:

Look, nobody is questioning the heavy handedness or brutality that is being used on a daily basis, but let's not point fingers at China, when there are plenty of mutilations going on in the west as well. Or we simply like to ignore the same sittuations in Spain and France, and let's not forget military grade responses in places like Ferguson, when even the slightest form of dissent is shown a full-blown military response. Also, we do not have concentration camps for muslims, as we do n ot need them. We let our allies keep them on regional lockdown in misserable conditions, so we can pretend that our hands are clean.

For everybody who thinks that I am misrepresenting the xenophobic feelings towards chines, or what that means, I am not. I am well aware what it means and what it entails but honestly with the current sittuation in Hong Kong most people call it a them vs us (as the freedom loving part of the world) sittuation. Them being the chinese government, whch like it or not , has the support of the mainland population. Remember, a government without popular support cannot last, and China has plenty of it, and no matter what people are preaching, it has one of the most stable governments since the cold war. Is it hard to grasp it from our point of view? Sure, we were raised on different cultural values.As somebody who was raised in a pos-communist country (Romania) I know how much freedom means, and I value it dearly.

But please do tell about your freedom concerns to those close to one billion people who were taken out from complete poverty in the last half century, and explain to them how horrible their sittuation is, now that they can actually afford somewhat decent living conditions. I bet they even know that the coun try is not perfect, but when will a 1.3 billion country ever be?

Look, if trying to be somewhat ojective makes me the devil's advocate, so be it, but I really do wish that people would not treat this sittuation so extremely one-sided without giving it even the slightest benefit of doubt. I think we could all learn a bit from doing so.

You're certainly correct that there is all kinds of rights violating going on in the west.  But, you can't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.  This thread is about China.  So, people are talking about the bad stuff happening in China because that's the whole point of this thread.  

As for treating it "one-sided"..... You seem to be suggesting that we should all take a minute to look at it from the eyes of the oppressors.  But, no, we shouldn't.  Oppressive government is objectively bad, and cannot be excused for *any reason*.  It doesn't matter if they think they're helping people. They're nothing but ruthless authoritarians. There is nothing to be learned (except maybe how to be a scumbag and still get people to like you).  

I think I get where you're trying to go with this, and get your point, but you're contradicting yourself here.

In the first statement you're basically saying, 'this thread is about China, stop bringing up examples that don't have to do with China.'

In the second statement, you're basically saying, 'stop focusing on China, pay attention to other examples that don't have to do with China.'

You can't legitimately say that, 'you can't justify bad behavior by pointing out other past bad behavior', because then what you're also saying is that, 'you can't justify good behavior by pointing out other past good behavior'. The past and it's trials and tribulations are what let us know the difference between many good and bad things. If you're going to use a certain type of evidence for one, you have to be able to use it for the other, or neither.

There's also a point to be made, that even the most just and highly respected of nations, have done terrible things at times, yet that doesn't make them atrocious overall over time, especially in their own people's eyes. The main reason why some other countries want nukes, is because some countries already have nukes and are extremely powerful because of that. That is justified, because if nukes were so bad, then why should anyone have them period? Nukes have already been dropped before and we know the horror of that, so why have them today, unless you ever plan to recreate that event, even if used only as defensive retaliation as they were before?

Unfortunately it's not that cut and dry. While some things would seem more clear about what is good and bad, there are plenty of things that fall in the grey area, and the people of every nation have to decide for themselves what they will and won't allow.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 10 November 2019