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the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

So California should have more say because it has more people? So what you want is immigration wars?

That's not exactly what it does.  

Eliminating the electoral college would make Republican votes in California actually matter.  Which could cause more Republicans to vote.  

EricHiggin said:

 Screw the minority and balancing needed for equality, right?..

That's what the electoral college does.  

Republicans in blue states get screwed over, because their vote doesn't matter.

Democrats in red states gets screwed over, because their vote doesn't matter.

EricHiggin said:

Have you not seen how the far left is reacting to the right now, and how calm and gentle they are being? Imagine a further left President along with that after 16 years straight. I'm sure things will go smoothly and peacefully...

How far left or right someone is, has absolutely no bearing on how "calm or gentle" people are.  

EricHiggin said:

Yes, completely restricted airspace over the central portion or tolls to fly over, along with the road tolls to pass through. Who cares what other countries think, they can go around, or talk some sense into the coasts who brought this on.

Yes, the evil coastal states making every vote the same.  

EricHiggin said:

You mean like tossing the EC so there will only be solely Democrat American leadership, further left in this case from now on? That's not evil? Food is a right?

Tossing the EC would not lead to solely Democratic American leadership.  The electoral college has voted the same as the popular vote nearly every single election.  So no, eliminating the EC would not cause only Democrat American leadership.  

EricHiggin said:

Shipping costs are covered and the consumer is covering it. The coasts could pay more, but there is only so much money, and if you take it from one place for another, something somewhere has to deal with that loss, and you can be sure that those people who are part of that something won't be upset at all, not in the slightest...

What happened to creating wealth?  

EricHiggin said:

Exactly. So now the coasts aren't getting their imported food, and the central portion isn't getting whatever. Who cares, the central portion has their own food, oil, water, and guns, so they are fine, and the coasts are now screwed. Are you trying to say that people don't or won't move if they can't live the type of life they want because of how the Gov is being run? Look at how many people are leaving states like California because of this right now.

>Are you trying to say that people don't or won't move if they can't live the type of life they want because of how the Gov is being run?

It's unlikely.  Most families are mixed.  

>the coasts are now screwed

More than likely both sides would be fine.

EricHiggin said:

A wall of guns if necessary. It won't be a problem though because the central conservative portion sucks and is poor apparently, plus the illegal immigrants aren't wanted there, where as the blue coasts want as many as possible because they care oh so much about them... Just wait until other countries see the coasts keeping those poor illegal immigrants out who are just going to perish otherwise. Who do you think they are going to side with then?

I guess if we just start tossing stuff out and changing things that don't favor us, well then, what's really off the table?

>plus the illegal immigrants aren't wanted there

Several red states have some of the largest undocumented populations.  

>I guess if we just start tossing stuff out and changing things that don't favor us, well then, what's really off the table?

Yes, making every vote equal and making every vote worth something is just unthinkable.  

Reps in Cali still wouldn't get their way, so what's the difference?

A more balanced system would be to have only Democrat leadership instead of the back and forth that tends to take place with the existing system?

So you're saying the past and present doesn't help predict the future?

Which will lead to the coastal states getting the locked in Democrat leadership they want, that their opposition doesn't. Who cares though right? They can fight can't they? It's not like they aren't being given an option. Hmm, I wonder if people can work to pay more for things or grow things themselves?

I thought the past and present didn't help predict the future, but now it does in this case?

Tell that to the poor and minorities. What happened to everyone working together? What happened to give and take?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/growing-number-of-californians-considering-moving-from-state-survey.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/californians-fed-up-with-housing-costs-and-taxes-are-fleeing-state.html

Try going without food, water, oil, or electricity for a couple days, or half as much anyway, and not for vacation. Now imagine that happening over weeks and months consistently. Everything's going to be just fine? Ironic since that's what they say in the movies before everyone get's snuffed.

Being undocumented makes it kinda hard to say how many there really are no? Plus it's for things like cheap labor to keep the produce prices low, which isn't necessary in this situation anymore. It's not like the one's who wanted to stay couldn't become tax paying citizens.

It is when it only ends up giving one side what it wants. The fact that side doesn't seem to be able to see this, or knows it and doesn't care, is all the more reason to make sure the EC remains in place. It's the Dems who are trying to accomplish this, and since they aren't in power and very well may lose again, you can't seriously believe they are doing this so the Reps have an equal chance at winning, otherwise why would they bother if the pop vote almost always ends up the same as the EC anyway, right?