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Bofferbrauer2 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Trump didn't build the company with his two bare hands.  
His dad started the company.  

Just to add to this point, Donald Trump had an allowance from his dad since he was a baby - a tiny little sum of 200 grand per year. He was already millionaire before he hit puberty due to this. Oh, and his "very small sum" of 1 million loan from his dad (which an everyman like us wouldn't get from any bank under any circumstances even if we could build the Perpetuum Mobile and make billions with it)? Try 413 Millions! Add to this the fact that he inherited the company and heaps of money from his father, and he probably just turned 10 Billions into 10 Billions, not 1 Million into 10 Billions.

So his dad was the multi billionaire back then and Don just inherited it all and has stagnated ever since? How many people win the lottery and piss the majority, if not all of it away in no time? How many turn those millions into billions?

Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

You asked for proof of high standards. I showed not one but two. How many do you specifically require? Will I get a bone if I show more? Why would you assume If he has standards that high when it comes to those types of things, that his standards for the people that work for him would be much lower? How do you think he paid for all that gold and bling, which likely also helped get him that woman? Lazy, useless, good for nothing staff? That's the formula for success alright!

No, I'm saying I'm not a dog and your not the master and we're not playing fetch. You brought up the DK effect, and were quite certain Trump falls under it, and I simply pointed out don't be so sure, since the effect itself points out exactly that. If you're so sure someone else falls into it, then quite possibly, you yourself may very well fall into it as well, if not worse. Maybe, maybe not.

Since I pointed this out already, and instead of proving your words, you simply tried to put the onus on me.... Hmm...

At BOLDED: If you are going to call someone either direct or on the sly ignorant of a subject then yes, the onus is on you to prove your point.  If you cannot then just shut up.  Either you have proof that you understand the topic or you do not.  So far with your answers, the only thing you did was waffle.  So again, if I am ignorant of the DK effect then either prove your words of shut up about it.  

As to the 2 pieces of proof you posted, are you saying a picture of a room is somehow a standard on how Trump hires someone personally for a cabinet position.  That somehow this gaudy room is the standard we should look at for his ability to hire qualified people to important staff position.  I am sorry, I just do not get it.  How does 2 pictures of a room mean anything about Trump ability to hire qualified people to high level staff position.  Should we be asking his personal decorator how they hire people instead of Trump.

You're the one who pointed out that not just Trump had it but it was basically made to define Trump. You never explained that. I also have said we all may be falling under the DK effect to some degree potentially.

Someone who likes a lot of different stuff plated or made of gold, who has had a multi billion dollar business for a long time now, which was doing well for the most part until his political career, is not the type of person who hires people with low standards. That doesn't necessarily mean every single person that get's hired meets his standards, but they are no doubt the best he can get at the time and for the money he's willing to pay.

I was part of a 60 year old multi million dollar company which eventually fell apart, and while there were a few reasons why, one of the main reasons was they slowly kept lowering the employee standards more and more to grow. Along with that, they forced the team leaders to stop being 'mean' and 'pushy' because it led to many of these new hires quitting quickly, which led to the new hires doing less and lower quality work because they could get away with it. It eventually led to the company having little work because the jobs were poorly done and the brand was tarnished. It was soon after on the verge of bankruptcy and was sold off in pieces. While the company would have suffered due to the other issues, it wouldn't have completely fallen apart if the staff was as high quality as it once was.

The type of people you hire, and how you direct them and treat them matters a lot, and that doesn't simply mean treating them like royalty because that can actually be a hindrance.