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Runa216 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

But you do not get to behave as the judge on how much value an opinion holds,ofcourse you think you speak gospel but others should not be holding your words as truth.

But my words ARE truth. That's the difference between objectivity and subjectivity; I'm not speaking (or typing) these things because they're my opinion, I recite these statements because they are backed by facts. I don't personally give a shit if people like trump, because Trump is funny and fun to watch on the apprentice. But when they believe his lies, listen to what he says, and act as they do in some false attempt at whatever it is they think he wants, that's dangerous. 

Look at New Zealand. 

That really should be all I have to say. That shooter is NOT the only instance of people in America or around the world doing things like this because of trump. 

Feelings and opinions don't matter. Actions and facts matter. I'm not all too fussed about playing nice in this situation because passivity has NEVER solved issues on this scale before. WE need to be calling people out on their bad behaviour, we need to quash bigotry before it gains steam, and the decent people out there need to be the ones making the most progress in the world. as it stands, the most dedicated, resourceful, action-oriented people out there are the ones trying to 'restore white nationalism' or to build a wall. THAT IS NOT OKAY. 

First off, if you had gone through the killers manifesto, they don't exactly portray Trump or conservatives in the best of light. Seems like they agreed with some things but not others.

Secondly, and far more importantly, if you want to try and blame someone like Trump and the people who back him because an act like this took place in his name, apparently, well what about 9/11 then? Does that mean every person on the planet who praises Allah are terrible people? Should that religion be banned from existence, or at least not be given a platform? That doesn't sound fair to the people who believe in the good behind it and not the twisted evil that may come of it, as long as the good portion is the overwhelming majority. You don't let a tree's fruit rot just because there's a few bad apples mixed in with the bunch. The tree, didn't want those apples to go bad, that's just how the world works.

You can't put people in boxes like that. It's hard not to when articulating it, but every single person is unique, yet while one of a kind, they tend to seem more alike when you have little choice in who to follow. Which candidate of the few? Which prophet of the Lord? Some people have 'given up' on God, so should people 'give up' on politics and voting?

I'm not saying nothing should be done and a blind eye turned, but the problem once again is close to the source. You don't see Trump voters going out and doing things like this in mass because they've been brought up properly and understand the message. Same goes for the religions. Those few who weren't bought up properly, are the issue. Did the Bernie ball game shooter try to kill Republican Senators because of Trumps message? Do his actions speak for all Dems? Maybe just maybe he had his own problems and one way or another, at some point in time, was going to do something unfathomable. Do we really want to get rid of all fuel sources, wood included, because they could potentially start a fire under the most unlikely of conditions?

The Canadian National Anthem According To Justin Trudeau


Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.