Why did Jesus Christ sacrifice his self for you?

[EricHiggin]

Pemalite said:

EricHiggin said:

Whose fault is that? Who has the capability to help these people? Why haven't they if it's the right thing to do?

Probably not enough thoughts and prayers.

...Jokes aside, it's a societal issue, usually because of poor economics, planning and funding. - It's a catastrophic issue in developing nations that's for sure.

Good one. lol. People being 'good' because it's just naturally right doesn't fit in this case. Plenty of possessions that could be sold, or never held in the first place, leaving plenty for others, and lot's of time wasted that could be used to help others, instead of over helping ourselves. There was a guy who preached this stuff, which we call religion, but that's dumb and wrong somehow? No wonder why they put him to death for talking sense.

Pemalite said:

EricHiggin said: 

Jesus was God in human form, which is where his 'magic' powers came from.

That smells like an assertion. - Got evidence?
And if Jesus was a God, then he couldn't die anyway, thus making his sacrifice a useless affair.

That smells like an assertion. - Got evidence?

Torillian said:

EricHiggin said:

Whose fault is that? Who has the capability to help these people? Why haven't they if it's the right thing to do?

Nope. Being too nice will eventually get you 'mowed down' by someone else who doesn't care. Assuming we just haven't been able to weed out all the 'bad ones' just yet would be a poor conclusion. There's a reason disease and flu's etc don't just die and go away forever.

Jesus was God in human form, which is where his 'magic' powers came from. Thank you science and tech, for making people wait days in line, texting on their 'old' iPhone, waiting to buy the yearly super expensive new iPhone, that really doesn't make much of a difference, instead of better using that time and money to truly make a difference. 

Seems like a silly argument. Don't you think that people going to church and tithing have wasted more of their time and money than the average person has on iphones?

So your saying their both wrong? How is that money spent on iPhones spread vs the money given to the church?

vivster said:

EricHiggin said:

Whose fault is that? Who has the capability to help these people? Why haven't they if it's the right thing to do?

Nope. Being too nice will eventually get you 'mowed down' by someone else who doesn't care. Assuming we just haven't been able to weed out all the 'bad ones' just yet would be a poor conclusion. There's a reason disease and flu's etc don't just die and go away forever.

Jesus was God in human form, which is where his 'magic' powers came from. Thank you science and tech, for making people wait days in line, texting on their 'old' iPhone, waiting to buy the yearly super expensive new iPhone, that really doesn't make much of a difference, instead of better using that time and money to truly make a difference. 

You should let humans decide for themselves if they prefer to fiddle with their iPhones or rather die of the plague in a ditch. I think it's highly offensive to human accomplishment to suggest that we're worse off today than we were in the past. But of course it's nothing new that the Church hates progress. Progress means humans no longer need the cheap and artificial comfort of religion anymore.

You're telling me that I cannot live a good life if I don't pretend that some magical entity is ruling over me? Offense taken.

The point is about doing what's right and helping people because it's naturally and logically the right thing to do. If so, why are there so many wealthy, smart, healthy, able people, yet so many poor, unintelligent, sick, weak people? Fiddling with your iPhone isn't helping those people. Paying what you did for it in the first place really isn't helping.

I'm not telling you anything, but your making up fallacies by not knowing the history of the conversation, or flat out not caring. I think it's offensive that you didn't take the time to read and understand the point being made, and also that you think people should be able to stand and watch people drown, when their fully capable of swimming, plus have a boat and first aid kit on hand.

I'm not offended though, because there's no logical reason to be.