Trump: 'Nobody Really Knows' If Climate Change Is Real

[Chris Hu]

Lafiel said:

thranx said:

the universe must revolve around us. All people believed this at one point in time. it must be true. Science is now a majority vote not based on facts and reason but on the community agreeing to it. Very Democratic and all. But what a load of BS. Science comes from the dissenters who question. By your standards there would be no advancement as we should just agree with the consensus and not look at or question things our selves, because the majority must be right.  They took a vote, listen to that, consensus, listen to that. Where are the facts? why have their climate models been so wrong so far? Why is it so bad to question them?

What would a scientific analphabet like you do with the facts anyway? Many many scientists that actually understand how the earth changed over the course of 4.5 billion years and how the different factors are connected reviewed and double reviewed and tripple reviewed all of the incomming data for the thousends of factors influencing earth's climate and almost every one of them individually came to the conclusion that there is a very high probability our emission are directly responsible for a negative change that could even accelerate in the future and that we should absolutely act now.

The people speaking out against this very often reduce "climate change" to 1 simple factor, global average temperature, which luckily hasn't seen as much of an uptrend as feared in the last decades. But instead we have seen an alarming rise in the oceans acidity, meaning the oceans have acted as a buffer and shown an increased intake of CO2. Also the local temperatures at the arctic shot through the roof making arctic ice disappear quicker than estimated (influence on sea levels only due to melting of glaciers like on greenland/in scandinavia, as arctic ice is already swimming on the water - melting ice cubes also don't influence water levels in a glass of water), yet the antartic region still is pretty stable and even increased inland ice a bit making sea levels rise slower than estimated.

Chris Hu said:
What really is going to fuck us over isn't the CO2 emissions but all the methane gas that will be released when all the permafrost melts. Guy McPherson thinks this could lead to the 6th mass extinction event which would include the extinctions of humans.

there have been many many more mass extinction events than just 5, although the big 5 certainly were exceptionally devastating - independent from whether or not climate change is happening/will occur in the future we are already living within a mass extinction event pretty much on the same level as the big 5 going by the amount of species that vanish completely each year, a catastrophic climate change just would add to that

but personally I doubt human kind would die from that - we are too adaptable and smart and the only way I can see us possibly become extinct in the near future is if we add an all out nuclear war to the pile (chances for that ofcourse increase like 1000 fold if a rapid climate change occurs)

Well I guess should have said 6th major mass extinction event.  I think that there is at least some evidence that at least one of the five earlier ones was caused by increased levels of methane in the atmosphere.