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LurkerJ on 17 May 2016
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Runa216 said:
LurkerJ said:

Superman told both WW and Batman: "he is from my world". What else could that mean besides doomsday being from krypton?

He told Them, yes, he didn't tell Lois Lane, so how did she know to go for the spear? 

Batman almost killed Superman using the spear, she has seen its effect on him. It had no effect on either her nor on Batman. She has seen Doomsday superpowers aren't human in anyway, flying, shooting beams and I dunno what. If I was in her shoes, I'd potentially guess that the spear could possibly be useful. 

Why do you want Superman to give the spear to wonder woman? He wasn't gonna ask her to do the job because she seemed stronger than Superman in that fight, it would be un"superman"ish to ask someone to do such a dangerous mission on his behalf.

Because it's an absolutely stupid thing to do to sacrifice yourself when there is someone more suited to the job.  this just makes Superman look like an idiot in his desire to be a martyr.  I get it, Christ Allegory and sacrifice, but it was still super stupid.  

It is stupid, but Jesus wouldn't have done it any other way lol. And he just met Wonder Woman, it's not like they are best buds yet.

"I thought she was with you". Wonder Woman just blocked a beam coming from Doomsday, similar to the one Superman shoots. Afterwards, she performed a superhero special move lol. It's very logical of Batman to think she is related to Superman. It doesn't necessarily mean that Batman was implying she is on Superman's side. 

That is not even close to a good enough reason.  WAY too much twisting of logic here.  Batman called for Wonder Woman by sending her the flash drive.  He knew she was with him.  

It's really not twisting, this is how I perceived it.

Maybe Lios was trying to hide the spear? And not just throw it? 

How so?  IT's absolutely stupid that she'd throw it in that puddle.  It's a glowing green rod.  Anyone with powers enough to seek it could scan for it, anyone with eyes could view it with ease, and Superman was already flying far, far away when she did it so it wasn't like she was getting it away from him to save him.  He was already gone and safe;  Her throwing it in the puddle did nothing at all for the stories or characters except make an excuse for her to be in peril later so Superman could once again save her.  

Ok, she threw the spear so the producers get to set the next scene. Sloppy and messy on their part, this one, I can agree with.

You want Superman to say "SAVE MY MOM" when Superman doesn't even belong to earth. How would Batman even realize that his mom is on earth?

Well yeah, I wanted him to say that.  "Save my mother" would have been three words that would have served the same purpose of getting Batman to feel empathy for him while also ensuring the character spoke in a way that isn't convoluted and unnatural.  Seriously, imagine shouting your mother's name when you were about to die.  Nobody does that, and that "Save Martha!" Line, like the stupidity of Lois Lane throwing the spear to the puddle, served only to set up a scene, and made no sense within the context of its own movie.  it was there solely to tie into batman's mother, when the same thing could have been accomplished without stupid twisted speech styles.  It's just bad writing trying to shoehorn in a bit of nerd trivia.  

I really don't get the big deal with this one, "save Martha" sounds fine to me, for the already mentioned reason. Agree to disagree.

 

I am really not trying to defend the movie or twist logic. I even stated that the movie is a mess, I am definitely not watching it again. I'll even talk about the things that really annoyed me! Besides Batman being a stubborn dickhead who is willing to risk his life fighting Superman who has done more good than bad for humanity. Here are the things that bothered me the most:

1.Why did WW feel the need to steal the harddrive from Batman? Why was she in that party in the first place? Because of an old picture Lex has of her? it doesn't even look like her, a photo can't prove that much. What the fuck is she doing there?

2.Lex has made it clear that he's done his homework, he knew who Bruce Wayne and Clark were but he invited them to the party and didn't bother to keep an eye on these potentially dangerous guests? wtf. He also knew who Wonder Woman was, yet, she was left freely to look & walk around as she pleased. Sloppy and Messy. 

3.What if Batman didn't try to hack into Lex's servers, would have she done it instead? Who would've helped her? What was her original plan before she got unintentional convenient help from Bruce? Sloppy & messy.

4.The body of Zodd being under the government possession, the ship that opened everything up for Lex because of Zodd's fingerprints rofl, the room that allowed doomsday to morph and grow. You'd expect Krypton security measures aren't this dumb, especially if it gives access to create such an abomination that is Doomsday. Sloppy and messy.

 

Despite all of these problems, I still liked some parts of the movie very much. Probably because of Lex, who seems to be hated by both, the fans and the haters of the movie. He had wise things to say, and more importantly, He and I share an uncanny hate for religions & Gods