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mornelithe on 22 December 2013
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Mr Khan said:
klystron said:
Mr Khan said:

"I'm not going to pass judgement on you myself, but here's proof that you'll suffer for all eternity for what you're doing."

The religion's position is hateful in this respect, and must be rejected at all points.

Are you seriously going to suggest that it's hateful to want to keep someone from an eternity of suffering? Phil said he will love you no matter what you do, but he doesn't want to see you suffer. Is it hateful for a church to offer food to the poor? They don't screen them out, you know. They don't find out who is gay or who does drugs or who worships satan and only feed those they deem worthy. You may want to re-think your view of the world if you seriously find it hateful to care about people. (Please remember that condoning everything others do is not required to be loving or tolerant!)

It is indeed a noble thing to provide unconditional aid, however you have to admit that it is very backhanded to say "I don't hate you, but you're going to burn." It is *wrong* of the religion to embrace this viewpoint, especially since it is based as it is out of a book of the Jewish bible that has been disregarded by modern Christendom in almost every other respect. Clearly there is a matter of choice in which parts of the bible Christians obey, so it is disingenuous to just say "it is repugnant to God, sorry, it's out of my hands but you're going to burn forever", since there's a lot of stuff that was supposedly an affront to the Lord that nobody bats an eye at.

Christian homophobia is an anachronism. It has nothing to do with the core tenets of the faith and could easily be disregarded without creating any major theological contradictions (arguably the bigger contradiction is the pick-and-choose attitude towards Levitical laws).

Agreed, the cherry picking of the Bible for what they will choose to 'damn' is pretty relevent to this topic.  People forget that according to the faith, shellfish are actually mentioned more in the Bible as evil, than homosexuality.  They also forget that the Bible suggests that rape victims are supposed to marry their rapist, children who act out against their parents should be stoned to death, and women who disobey their husbands should also be stoned to death.

And yet, with a nearly 50% chance of divorce this day and age, there are perilously few women being stoned, the shellfish industry is quite healthy, and children continue to defy their parents.  Go figure.

And I have similar misgivings about the 'charity' work, done in the name of the Church.  Yes, they help feed the poor, sure.  But, it's not unconditional, nor is it simply because they want to feed people.  They do it to spread the word of their faith (not to mention to earn 'brownie' points for their vision of what happens after you die), and in third world countries that has helped to bring about new waves of religious killings for accusations of witchcraft.