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Hey Aqua, The Division bundle sold 24k or is lower because of PC SKU ? (Don't know if PC is included in your numbers.)



Mr. Sega said:

(Don't know if PC is included in your numbers.)

PC is included in my numbers, but it's a pretty much completely inconsequential market.

For example, February release XCOM 2 by Take-Two is #63 in the PC Amazon charts.....and yet despite it having released in February it sold something like 2,000 in the NPD PC figures for March.

Far Cry Primal is currently #269 in the PC Amazon charts....that's why 318K is the combined figure for PS4 + XBO + PC even though 179K PS4 + 139K XBO = 318K....the physical PC market is pretty much dead. They just keep it alive because it literally costs the dev teams zero extra work and they can keep print runs super tiny to squeeze that extra few cents of profit out.

The Division is #36 in the PC Amazon markets and it was higher back when it launched, so obviously that was at the top of the PC market for March. But still...such a small launch given 1.78 million PS4 + XBO and 25% console digital sell-through and 739K sold on Steam worldwide...it's pathetic.



Aquamarine said:
Mr. Sega said:

(Don't know if PC is included in your numbers.)

PC is included in my numbers, but it's a pretty much completely inconsequential market.

For example, February release XCOM 2 by Take-Two is #63 in the PC Amazon charts.....and yet despite it having released in February it sold something ike 2,000 in the NPD PC figures for March.

Far Cry Primal is currently #269 in the PC Amazon charts....that's why 318K is the combined figure for PS4 + XBO + PC even though 179K PS4 + 139K XBO = 318K....the physical PC market is pretty much dead. They just keep it alive because it literally costs the dev teams zero extra work and they can keep print runs super tiny to squeeze that extra few cents of profit out.

The Division is #36 in the PC Amazon markets and it was higher back when it launched, so obviously that was at the top of the PC market for March. But still...such a small launch given 1.78 million PS4 + XBO and 25% console digital sell-through and 739K sold on Steam worldwide...it's pathetic.

Even a big launch has very low numbers. PC games on retail are more dead than I thought.



Mr. Sega said:
Aquamarine said:

PC is included in my numbers, but it's a pretty much completely inconsequential market.

For example, February release XCOM 2 by Take-Two is #63 in the PC Amazon charts.....and yet despite it having released in February it sold something ike 2,000 in the NPD PC figures for March.

Far Cry Primal is currently #269 in the PC Amazon charts....that's why 318K is the combined figure for PS4 + XBO + PC even though 179K PS4 + 139K XBO = 318K....the physical PC market is pretty much dead. They just keep it alive because it literally costs the dev teams zero extra work and they can keep print runs super tiny to squeeze that extra few cents of profit out.

The Division is #36 in the PC Amazon markets and it was higher back when it launched, so obviously that was at the top of the PC market for March. But still...such a small launch given 1.78 million PS4 + XBO and 25% console digital sell-through and 739K sold on Steam worldwide...it's pathetic.

Even a big launch has very low numbers. PC games on retail are more dead than I thought.

PC Games in March accounted for $7.2 million dollar spend at retail in the US

Compared to $425.8 million for Console games at retail in the US. 

The difference is huge. PC Retail is dead. 



RolStoppable said:

So you disagree or agree with me? Here, I'll switch the games in my previous post:

There's another way to be right. If money is limited, the money goes to the best games. Uncharted 4 is superior to Ratchet & Clank, so if someone could only buy one of the two games, what would it be? Exactly.

In other words, in order for sales of the bestselling titles to notably decrease, there would have to be equal or superior alternatives, otherwise it doesn't matter whether there are 2 or 200 games releasing per month.

You have just said it yourself in your edit. Between Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank, it would only be the latter which seriously suffered in sales while Uncharted's potential sales wouldn't warrant any concerns.

Umm no, if you actually read everything I said, you would see I actually address that. What I said(or meant to say) was that Uncharted 4 would have probably ate most of Ratchet & Clanks sales but that doesn't mean Ratchet & Clank wouldn't eat some of Uncharted 4's sales. It might be small, but there are still some people who would prefer Ratchet & Clank over Uncharted. 



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zorg1000 said:

what you said above doesnt dispute what I previously said, Nintendo games will always take top priority on Nintendo consoles, this has remained true for all Nintendo devices including ones that had strong3rd party support.

People didnt buy Twilight Princess or Pokken Tournament because they had no other options, they bought them because they wanted those games.

I actually did address. Are you actually going to say that if Destiny, CoD, Dark Souls 3 and a shit ton of other mutli plats came out on the same day as Twilight Princess and/or Pokken that there would be 0 Wii U owners that would buy the multiplats over exclusives? If you are, you're being ridiculous. 



"There is only one race, the pathetic begging race"

Ali_16x said:

I actually did address. Are you actually going to say that if Destiny, CoD, Dark Souls 3 and a shit ton of other mutli plats came out on the same day as Twilight Princess and/or Pokken that there would be 0 Wii U owners that would buy the multiplats over exclusives? If you are, you're being ridiculous. 

Dude stop, seriusly stop.

At Wii U launch, there were lots of new games, including third party titles, old and new.

The bigger titles were surely Assassin's Creed III, Call of Duty Black Ops II, and Zombi U. And guess? Those games sold like shit.

 

In November NPD 2012, Black Ops II sold 21,000 unit, while Super Mario Bros U sold 243,000, with an insane 57% attach rate on 425,000 Wii U sold.

So what? Have games like Black Ops II, Assassin's Creed III, Zombi U, and all others games eated Mario Bros U sales? No.

And you think now games like Dark Souls III, Black Ops III, Destiny and company ON WII U could eat Twilight Princess and Pokkén sales?

 

Lol ok.



Ali_16x said:
zorg1000 said:

what you said above doesnt dispute what I previously said, Nintendo games will always take top priority on Nintendo consoles, this has remained true for all Nintendo devices including ones that had strong3rd party support.

People didnt buy Twilight Princess or Pokken Tournament because they had no other options, they bought them because they wanted those games.

I actually did address. Are you actually going to say that if Destiny, CoD, Dark Souls 3 and a shit ton of other mutli plats came out on the same day as Twilight Princess and/or Pokken that there would be 0 Wii U owners that would buy the multiplats over exclusives? If you are, you're being ridiculous. 

obviously some would but it would be a very small number. Instead of selling 308k this month, TPHD maybe would have sold 300k instead. its a meaningless difference.



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ZhugeEX said:
Mr. Sega said:

Even a big launch has very low numbers. PC games on retail are more dead than I thought.

PC Games in March accounted for $7.2 million dollar spend at retail in the US

Compared to $425.8 million for Console games at retail in the US. 

The difference is huge. PC Retail is dead. 

By the way, what were your predictions? (hardware sales... U/3DS/4/ONE/)



barneystinson69 said:
JRPGfan said:

I was expecting more than a 100k gap to be honest.

Ever since the announcement of Xbox games coming to PC, sales have gone down. Very dumb move from Microsoft...

No X1 is doing ok, it is slightly up this month, it is not dumb.



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