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CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
Black RL said:
Ahead of it's time? Go play Fahrenheit please.....

If a type of title never catches on, fans of it keep saying that it is still "ahead of its time".  Like Fahrenheit is supposed to be this to.

What fans have said this?

Who said Fahrenheit was ahead of its time?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=9p7&q=fahrenheit+game+ahead+of+its+time&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

 

A bunch of people over the Internet have.  One of the things said about something people like, but doesn't catch on is that it is "ahead of its time".  Heavy Rain is now being said in this article to be "ahead of its time" and will fail.  I am not saying ALL fans will say this, but sometimes fan do.  Only time I see this being true is if the concept finally catches on, and then you look back and see that a game actually was "ahead of its time".  I don't think one can say this about Fahrenheit.  It is possible it is a game concept will never catch on in a big way.

I was talking about HEAVY RAIN, which I haven't seen any fans, at least not on VG Chartz (where we are), claim that.

Heavy Rain hasn't produced sales numbers yet, so it is hard to say a game is "ahead of its time" when it actually ends up maybe doing really good numbers and shows that "it is its time".   Actually I did overstate a "bunch" there, but did find people who are fans of a game that doesn't sell well will say the game is "ahead of its time". 



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do you know how good system shock was? (1)
and do you know that it failed commercially?
do you know Clive Barkers' undying ?( GOTY back than)
did you know how it failed?
many great games/movies/music fail commercially, while microsoft can push shitty games like Halo (it's sad )



lolage said:
do you know how good system shock was? (1)
and do you know that it failed commercially?
do you know Clive Barkers' undying ?( GOTY back than)
did you know how it failed?
many great games/movies/music fail commercially, while microsoft can push shitty games like Halo (it's sad )

Your comment didn't call for you throwing Halo under the bus.  Halo put FPS on the map as a viable genre for consoles the way no other game did.  It works, and people like it.  Keep in mind that just because you don't like it, it doesn't make it garbage.

 

The issue of "ahead of its time" can be seen looked at in this article:

http://www.ncnlocal.com/buisinessbeat/ncn_roi.asp

Companies that introduce new products to the market have a better chance of success than those that do not. But this alone won’t guarantee success. Despite a dismal record for “successful” new product introductions (40-90 percent fail), it is clear that to succeed a company must be able to predict customer behavior. Might this, then, be why innovative products fail despite extraordinary benefits?

The quest for the answer has stimulated no small amount of study to determine the minds of buyer and seller. Among those who have delivered practical solutions to this vexing problem is psychologist Daniel Kahneman, whose work on the psychology of economics won him the Nobel Prize in 2002. What he discovered is simply this: New products typically ask of consumers a change in behavior that entails some costs. They may be reconfigured costs such as those associated with the addition of memory to an off-the-shelf computer, or learning costs such as those attending a new computer operating system, or gaining familiarity with the GPS system you ordered with your new car. These are called “economic switching costs,” and they are common to the adoption of most innovative new products.

What product companies fail to consider carefully, according to Dr. Kahneman’s model, are the psychological costs associated with behavioral change. Products often fail because of psychological biases that exist in both buyer and seller—“people irrationally overvalue benefits they currently possess relative to those they don’t.” The effect: buyers tend to value the benefits of products they own over the benefits of new ones, and sellers tend to value the benefits of new products they’ve created over existing alternatives. The result: customers reject new products even though they may be better, and companies with new products don’t know how to anticipate their failure in the market.

People value what they have to a far greater degree than they do innovation.  They want what is comfortable and works, and not normally up for change.



The game is closing on 100k pre-orders with about 2 weeks til release.

I think Heavy Rain will be fine.



@richardhutnik Halo is a rip-off (did you play Alien Versus predator? some weapons even feel the same and the invisibility power-up etc)
I don't say Halo is a bad game, but it didn;'t change anything, unlike other games that failed commercially.
play undying than tell me halo is a good game, it is still good by today's standards (actually ageless and immortal )better yet play unreal (1998)



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ICO and Shadow of the Colossus all over again. It's takes a special gamer to buy these games. (The ones that know what good games are)



I think a lot of doubters will be surprised with Heavy Rain. It's one of those games/non-games that has piqued* a lot of interest (it's definitely not Shovelware), even outside of the "Gamers" world; non-gamers to be exact.

You heard me say it, It Will Surprise You.



  • 2010 MUST Haves: WKC, Heavy Rain, GoWIII, Fable III, Mass Effect 2, Bayonetta, Darksiders, FFXIII, Alan Wake, No More Heroes 2, Fragile Dreams: FRotM, Trinity: SoZ, BFBC2.
  • Older Need To Buys: Super Mario Bros. Wii, Mario Kart Wii, Deadspace, Demon's Souls, Uncharted 2.

There is definitely more to list that I want, but that's my main focus there.

Well this is a 1st day buy for me, just like WKC i dont care what ppl or web sites say about it. And i love deep stories, just like MGS4 (what game man !!) and most people say " its a interactive movie" well then i love interative movies.



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