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SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
This is... very interesting. DGC does seem to be heavily siding with zexen.

Although, scifi, I don't think both of them are careless enough to be near each other if they are both scum...

@ bolded, why? I know they are good players, but even the best people slip up sometimes, not unreasonable to think it happend here, that or they didnt think anyone would notice

@ dgc - if youre saying you made that post before zexen said the same thing, all that does is reverse what I was saying, it means he used your logic instead of you copying his...doesnt really address my suspicon of either of you much tbh...

It's not about who posted what first. You're not even looking at the possibility that Zexen and I just agreed on something. I'm saying that I was trying to get my posts some attention since so many people were against lynching hatmoza just because it was the first day and he made a role-claim [one he couldn't back up like always].

WoW made a post a while back about how focusing on one person you're sure you can get lynched while ignoring others is a scum-tell. I'm pointing out how you're doing this with zexen. I pointed it out when trangent was doing the same. Yours is just too obvious and you've been doing it since day one.

Dtewi role-claiming and saying you're innocent isn't 100% because there's no way I'll ever know if that's fully true since I don't know if Dtewi's truly a cop yet. If I think someone's doing something suspicious, I'm going to point it. 



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Dgc1808 said:
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
This is... very interesting. DGC does seem to be heavily siding with zexen.

Although, scifi, I don't think both of them are careless enough to be near each other if they are both scum...

@ bolded, why? I know they are good players, but even the best people slip up sometimes, not unreasonable to think it happend here, that or they didnt think anyone would notice

@ dgc - if youre saying you made that post before zexen said the same thing, all that does is reverse what I was saying, it means he used your logic instead of you copying his...doesnt really address my suspicon of either of you much tbh...

It's not about who posted what first. You're not even looking at the possibility that Zexen and I just agreed on something. I'm saying that I was trying to get my posts some attention since so many people were against lynching hatmoza just because it was the first day and he made a role-claim [one he couldn't back up like always].

WoW made a post a while back about how focusing on one person you're sure you can get lynched while ignoring others is a scum-tell. I'm pointing out how you're doing this with zexen. I pointed it out when trangent was doing the same. Yours is just too obvious and you've been doing it since day one.

Dtewi role-claiming and saying you're innocent isn't 100% because there's no way I'll ever know if that's fully true since I don't know if Dtewi's truly a cop yet. If I think someone's doing something suspicious, I'm going to point it. 

im not doing it because I think he will get lynched, I was suspicious of him way before almost anyone else...heck, I dont even think you can say that, how many votes are even on him?

and yes, I think it is possible you just agreed, but youre reaction to my voting for him made me much more suspicious of it.




SciFiBoy said:
Dgc1808 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Dgc1808 said:
SciFiBoy said:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=3116764&page=33&postnum=10

Dgc posted this when I was quering zexen about why he voted hatmoza...its not much ill grant you...but I thought that the timing was interesting, it almost seemed like an attempt to "back up" zexen and make me back off.

he also seemed very confident hatmoza was scum and followed zexens thinking that mislynching a townie wasnt a bad thing.

im almost tempted to change my vote to Dgc infact, but if im right in thinking he is working with zexen, then I consider zexen a bigger threat.

@50posts/page

I made this post at the top of page7

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=3115169&page=7&postnum=1

multiple post later on the same page, Scifiboy and Zexen were going at it and Scifiboy made this post.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=3116742&page=7&postnum=29 

"1) townie is a pro town role...has been I think every game?

2) you seem to be saying that you think we should kill hatmoza even if he is a townie?"

You were questioning Zexen as to why we should lynch hatmoza after he role-claimed townie. So, RIGHT UNDER your post I requoted mine just as you see it in that link you provided. 

I felt I gave good reason as to why hatmoza should be lynched even if he was townie, and it seemed like you missed my post since no one replied to it. It wasn't about helping zexen, it was about getting my opinion across.  

you do know you just admitted to the same thing that made me suspicous of zexen right?

I dont accept the logic that mislynching townies isnt bad for the town, it makes no sense to me why a pro-town player would say that, specially not highlight it constantly?

I think you're looking at it way too straight forward. Role-claiming townie doesn't help the town AT ALL but it helps the mafia a great deal. Especially early one in the game were they have NO LEADS as to who's gonna be protected. Also, we're talking about the dude that's has role-claimed in EVERY mafia game he's been in at until this one it's ALWAYS been bullshit. There was no evidence supporting hatmoza as a townie either.

he had to role-claim though to try and deflect suspicion, why would he lie about his role, that would only make him even MORE suspicious if someone counter claimed.

the mafia are gonna target people they know ARENT mafia, the who only matters if they would think that person has a power role, if anything his roleclaiming townie would make him LESS of a target, though depending on the mafia I guess it could work either way, not really a good reason to say its okay to lose townies though.

@ bolded - I know hatmoza lies alot, thats why I was suspicious of him, thats not what im questioning here, what im questioning is the suggestion that lynching townies isnt bad for the town.

Less of a target? No. You don't get it. In my post [the one you linked] I pointed out how it's not just mafia targetting hatmoza we should be worried about. If he role-claims townie his choice number 1 for the cult. He's a bullet-proof vest for a ghost. Anti-town bus drivers, body snatchers, Mentors, Framers, Immobilizers, etc. 

And before you say this is a Vanilla game and we don't have to worry about this stuff, notice we have multiple mafia factions. Vanilla games normally do that? 



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Dgc1808 said:
SciFiBoy said:

he had to role-claim though to try and deflect suspicion, why would he lie about his role, that would only make him even MORE suspicious if someone counter claimed.

the mafia are gonna target people they know ARENT mafia, the who only matters if they would think that person has a power role, if anything his roleclaiming townie would make him LESS of a target, though depending on the mafia I guess it could work either way, not really a good reason to say its okay to lose townies though.

@ bolded - I know hatmoza lies alot, thats why I was suspicious of him, thats not what im questioning here, what im questioning is the suggestion that lynching townies isnt bad for the town.

Less of a target? No. You don't get it. In my post [the one you linked] I pointed out how it's not just mafia targetting hatmoza we should be worried about. If he role-claims townie his choice number 1 for the cult. He's a bullet-proof vest for a ghost. Anti-town bus drivers, body snatchers, Mentors, Framers, Immobilizers, etc. 

And before you say this is a Vanilla game and we don't have to worry about this stuff, notice we have multiple mafia factions. Vanilla games normally do that? 

you seem to have given that a lot of thought, planning on targeting a townie for something (j/k)

anyway, I think when he said Vanilla he meant just Mafia(s), Townies, Doctor(s), Cop(s) and the like, rather than cultists, ghosts and stuff, but fair enough some of thoose could still be true, even so, its a reason to be annoyed at townies that role claim, though it would require a few assumptions that would be in almost any game hard to back up, its not a reason to be okay with ANY townies dying, just the ones that role-claim, and even then if you assume that the scum WOULD target them, which isnt a given, they may leave the townie alone in search of power roles.



Dgc1808 said:
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
This is... very interesting. DGC does seem to be heavily siding with zexen.

Although, scifi, I don't think both of them are careless enough to be near each other if they are both scum...

@ bolded, why? I know they are good players, but even the best people slip up sometimes, not unreasonable to think it happend here, that or they didnt think anyone would notice

@ dgc - if youre saying you made that post before zexen said the same thing, all that does is reverse what I was saying, it means he used your logic instead of you copying his...doesnt really address my suspicon of either of you much tbh...

It's not about who posted what first. You're not even looking at the possibility that Zexen and I just agreed on something. I'm saying that I was trying to get my posts some attention since so many people were against lynching hatmoza just because it was the first day and he made a role-claim [one he couldn't back up like always].

WoW made a post a while back about how focusing on one person you're sure you can get lynched while ignoring others is a scum-tell. I'm pointing out how you're doing this with zexen. I pointed it out when trangent was doing the same. Yours is just too obvious and you've been doing it since day one.

Dtewi role-claiming and saying you're innocent isn't 100% because there's no way I'll ever know if that's fully true since I don't know if Dtewi's truly a cop yet. If I think someone's doing something suspicious, I'm going to point it. 

Now you're just desperate. Why are you trying to much to have suspicion drawn towards SciFiBoy? I investigated him and he's innocent. My oly reasoning that you're still trying to get him is that you're mafia and you think he's an asset towards the town. My guess is that you're a power role for the mafia. And you've just had a crazy vote against theRepublic because he was being himself when you've been in more games than this one. You were trying to get rid of a powerful player, weren't you? Trying to force a lynch by providing piss-poor reasons? You see threRepublic as a strong player so you try to get rid of him so you can be safe.

Vote: Dgc1808



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Okay, Vetteman94 first (i'll do therepublic later if you don't mind because this was very time-consuming)

FoS: WoW day 1. accused WoW of being controlling.

trangent agreed that his analysis of WoW was a good one.

Final-Fan also agreed. Final-Fan is now dead.

hatmoza agreed. hatmoza was lynched yesterday. hatmoza was anti-zexen and WoW.

nen-suer agreed, and argued with zexen. nen-suer is dead. (it was then stated by zexen that since nen-suer was dead, and nen-suer is mafia, anyone he was agreeing with is also suspicious. thing is, since there are 2 mafia families, its a possibility that zexen is in the other one, right? he wasn't to know that nen was mafia, bang. he got as big a surprise as any of us when he actually turned up mafia. dead.)

MakingMusic (me) stated that a change in WoW's habits are not necessarily a bad thing, that it looks like WoW is just trying to get people to talk "under the guise of a possible lynching"

WoW defended itself (do you mind being referred to as "itself"? i dont like the gender argument :D) and stated that hatmoza wasn't helping, and was displaying scummy behaviour. hatmoza was innocent.

Vetteman94 was VERY against going for a lynch. I'd have thought if he was mafia, he would have eventually relented and gone with the lynch of hatmoza, since it would make him fit in with everyone else.

 

zexen said he has "raised suspicions of [j0 and] Vetteman but "nothing [he] could quote".

 

and thats my summary of Vetteman. In MY opinion, he seems clean. he was against the lynch of hatmoza for what seemed like moral reasons, who turned out to be town.

a lot of people who died since the start of the game seemed to have been anti-zexen, anti-WoW or anti-both.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.

Trashleg, I'm color-blind now.

Vetteman just didn't want to bandwagon and wanted to have a mind of his own. But going straight around to FoSing zexen and WoW. That's odd.

Keep in mind that every person who has died was not necessarily because they were anti any of them. Darth's actions were randomized I believe and the fact that there were three kills last night means that both of them couldn't kill three people. A bit interesting though.



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

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Yeesh. Day 2 isn't close to being done and we already have 900 posts. The most of any game was 2200.

Let's break the record, guys!



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

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  Voting To Lynch ( Lynched | Murdered | Other | Modkilled )
Person Day 1
Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Identity
ArkZero hatmoza
         
Axumblade darthdevidem01
KingFate
       
c03n3nj0 hatmoza
sabby_e17
       
Dgc1808 hatmoza
theRepublic
       
dtewi hatmoza  Dgc1808        
Falcon095 darthdevidem01
         
KingFate hatmoza
         
lestatdark hatmoza
         
trashleg
- No Vote - 
 zexen_lowe        
sabby_e17 darthdevidem01
zexen_lowe        
SciFiBoy hatmoza
zexen_lowe
       
Son1x SciFiBoy          
SuperAdriank  - No Vote -
         
theRepublic No Lynch
         
trangentspree No Lynch
 zexen_lowe        
Vetteman94 No Lynch
zexen_lowe        
Words of Wisdom  hatmoza KingFate
       
zexen_lowe hatmoza
sabby_e17        
Seraphic_Sixaxis No Lynch         Mafia Tattaglia Family
darthdevidem01 Falcon095         Vigilante
DaBuddahN hatmoza
        Mafia Roleblocker Corleone Family
dsister44 KingFate
        Jail Keeper
Final-Fan hatmoza
        Townie
nen-suer zexen_lowe
        Mafia Corleone Family
supermario128  sabby_e17         Townie
hatmoza No Lynch
        Townie


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This day has been going on quite some time now... do you guys want a deadline or do you think you'll be able to reach an agreement eventually?



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