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sabby_e17 on 09 February 2010
Vetteman94 said:
sabby_e17 said:
Vetteman94 said:
sabby_e17 said:
Vetteman94 said:
sabby_e17 said:
I'm back, been very busy in the past few days.

Anyways, I can still see that people are after me (zexen). And people are still suspicious because I backed Hatmoza. I've defended my self many times and I'll do it again if people pursue me but the one thing I find strange is: Why do people find me THAT suspicious for backing Hatmoza?

Apparently, I'm "Mafia" for being correct.

I dont think it has as much to do with you backing hatmoza as it is other things that you said in the first day.   Going back and re-reading the first day posts, there were somethings that you said that seemed a little odd.

Like what?


Well for one,  it wasnt just hatmoza you were blindly defending,  you also defended Dgc1808 in a minor inquiry from trangentspree early on about defending himself from early suspicion.   And the big deal made about it with trangentspree seemed like you were trying to move the focus of suspicion, even going as far as FoSing trangentspree but refusing to offer a reason why when he asked about it. 

Oh yeah, that. I wasn't defending Dgc though, just pointing out a few mistakes I felt that trangentspree made.

Well what mistake did he make,  because I found none


Saying Dgc was being overdefensive when I found he wasn't.




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theRepublic on 09 February 2010
trangentspree said:
theRepublic said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
theRepublic said:

These two posts occurred on Day One:

trangentspree said:

In the worst case scenario though we could lose a lot of pro-towns during the night, and if on top of that we've just killed another pro-town, things could get very bad very quickly.

Personally I'm still not convinced a 'no lynch' first night isn't the best way to go about this. Especially now that there have been some interesting moments in the discussion that we can look back on when we find out what happens.

trangentspree said:

Although Hatmoza seems to be making a compelling case to get lynched all by herself, I'm still not a fan lynching someone on a first day when it's based soley on suspicious behaviour or not taking the game seriously enough yet - in my eyes the risk of losing a pro-town isn't worth it when there is always the chance that we could lose a lot of pro-towns during the first night. Maybe it's simply because this is my first game, so I don't know any of your playing styles and can't draw on past experiences to come to conclusions about others like some of you have done, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

However, if the vote against Hatmoza starts to become a majority vote I won't try to drag out this day any longer by opposing it - this day needs to end one way or another so we can get some more concrete facts to look back at this day with. This is just starting to get really confusing now.

So - for the moment - vote: no lynch

Could this be a case of first to say 'X' caused 'X'?  Those statements could make Trangentspree an anti-town night killer.  This makes sense along with the sudden interest in the Doctor.  It does seem a bit too obvious, but he is new, so it might just be a rookie making a big mistake and accidentally revealing himself.

Can you go ahead and explain to me how those make him seem like scum? 

It looks like he's saying the same thing in both place so I'm not making the connection.

I though I made it fairly clear in what I said below the quotes.

Yes, he is saying the same thing in both places.  The connection I am making, is that we did have quite a few deaths during the night excactly like he said.  Could be he is responsible for some of that.  Seems like a big slip up to me, almost too big to be real though (although he is a rookie).  It is enough for some suspicion, but not a vote just yet.  I want to see a response from Trangentspree.

@: I take it what you mean to say is "quite a few pro-town deaths happened during the night just like he said."

@: And qualify "some."

Considering that there were 24 people playing during Day 1, predicting that there could be a lot of fatalities during the first night doesn't seem like a bold claim to me. And anyway, how could I know who was pro-town? The only players that should know the alignment of others during Day 1 are mafia/cult/masons, and they only know the alignments of those inside their own groups.

theRepublic said:
My girlfriend got home, I won't be able to post much more tonight. A few quick thoughts:

Falcon didn't FoS or Vote for anyone on Day One. He didn't post at all after page 3 (@100 per page) on Day One. Where are you Falcon?

SuperAdriank didn't FoS or Vote for anyone either. He also didn't post since page 3 (@100 per page) on Day One. I know you are in the hospital, but please try and do something while you are here.

This is a list of people who only Voted for people. They did not FoS anyone. You need to bring your suspects to the attention of the town. Otherwise, you are probably just bandwagoning other people's suspects.

ArkZero
Axumblade
Dgc1808
KingFate
Lestatdark
Seraphic_Sixaxis
Son1x
Trangentspree
Zexen_lowe

@:This isn't a list of people who "only Voted for people," because I didn't vote for anyone during Day 1 - I voted "No Lynch" as you can clearly even see by looking inside the quotes that you have taken from me.

Sure.

One.

Just last round we had a big game like this.  Only one person died the first night.  Three died on night two.  That was followed with just one again on night three.  Strange things happen in this game, and assumptions can easily be wrong.  Good point about the mafia thing, although you could just as easily be mafia.

(Moving on to the next quote)

Good point, I misspoke.  That is a list of people who voted, but did not FoS.



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dtewi on 09 February 2010
zexen_lowe said:

Yes, that much is correct

That's why I facepalmed myself when dtewi claimed Scifi innocent

Actually, I said SFB was innocent since everyone was inevitably going to ask me whom I investigated and I didn't feel like putting up with that.

OT: I don't get why everyone is ganging up on zexen. I think sabby is more suspicious.

FoS: Sabby

 



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

zexen_lowe on 09 February 2010
dtewi said:
zexen_lowe said:

Yes, that much is correct

That's why I facepalmed myself when dtewi claimed Scifi innocent

Actually, I said SFB was innocent since everyone was inevitably going to ask me whom I investigated and I didn't feel like putting up with that.

OT: I don't get why everyone is ganging up on zexen. I think sabby is more suspicious.

FoS: Sabby

 

Well...there was no real reason to say you're a Cop during day 2. I mean, when I'm cop (and incredibly, I've been quite a lot of times), I don't roleclaim till I have a mafia, till I'm close to a lynch or when town are on the verge of lynching someone I've found innocent




dtewi on 09 February 2010
Dgc1808 said:
Vote: theRepublic

1) Not using "FoS" doesn't mean anything if you state who you're suspicious of in your posts and why. This was very weak reasoning and I'm thinking you were using it to throw attention away from members of your mafia family that are currently acquiring some votes or something.

2) It was Day 1 in a large game. Someone saying "there's a good chance there's gonna be alot of night kills night 1" doesn't mean squat. I'd expect something like this from someone new to mafia but not you.

3) My initial reason for vote hatmoza was indeed to get the game going. After a whole day of hatmoza posting reply's like "i'm not crazy, it was just a joke" and stating "we should just lynch a lurker and talk" while really adding nothing to the conversation himself- i saw no reason to change my vote.

I'd like this post to be pointed out. Dgc, you're voting for someone due to the fact they have weak reasoning when your reasoning is just as weak. You said throw away attention from your mafia "family"? Why "family"?

@zexen

I role-claimed that early so I wouldn't die. It's not being selfish, I did it so the town wouldn't be without a cop.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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theRepublic on 09 February 2010

As has been pointed out, I suppose I did not do a good enough job of noting who suspected who when I reread the first day. I am advocating for FoSes because an FoS is very clear, whereas paragraphs about other people do not necessarily indicate suspicion. Shortly, I'm going to be posting a chronological list of the Voting/Fosing actions to see if we can find any strange behavior that way. If anyone feels I missed something, like a suspicion you had, post the link and I will amend the list. This is all about transparency. I think that is very bad for the scum.

I also need to clear something up about what I said about Falcon and SuperAdriank. Some think I was including Day Two, but I was not. I was just talking about Day One. Day One lasted for six pages @ 100 per. Neither person posted on page 4, 5, or 6. That is a long time to be lurking. I realize that you have a damn good excuse, SuperAdriank, but try and get a few posts in here and there and make them count. The post you made today was good stuff, let's see more of that in the future.

Anyway, my main point for those two was that they did not vote, and didn't really bring forward their suspects either. Falcon pointed out he did have a big post as to why he thought Hatmoza was acting strange. I will add that to my notes.

Now that I look at my notes again, there were a few other people missing from the game for long stretches.

Arkzero was missing on pages 1, 3, 4, and 6, with just a single short post on page 5 to vote for Hatmoza.

Falcon was missing pages 4, 5, and 6.

KingFate was missing pages 1, 4, 5, and 6, with just a single post on page 2 and 3. The post on page 3 was short and a vote for Hatmoza.

Lestatdark was missing on pages 1, 2, 5, and 6.

SuperAdriank was missing pages 4, 5, and 6.

To be fair, theRepublic was missing pages 2 and 3.

That should be everyone who was missing for at least two consecutive pages, and who is also still alive and has not been replaced.



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theRepublic on 09 February 2010
dtewi said:
Dgc1808 said:
Vote: theRepublic

1) Not using "FoS" doesn't mean anything if you state who you're suspicious of in your posts and why. This was very weak reasoning and I'm thinking you were using it to throw attention away from members of your mafia family that are currently acquiring some votes or something.

2) It was Day 1 in a large game. Someone saying "there's a good chance there's gonna be alot of night kills night 1" doesn't mean squat. I'd expect something like this from someone new to mafia but not you.

3) My initial reason for vote hatmoza was indeed to get the game going. After a whole day of hatmoza posting reply's like "i'm not crazy, it was just a joke" and stating "we should just lynch a lurker and talk" while really adding nothing to the conversation himself- i saw no reason to change my vote.

I'd like this post to be pointed out. Dgc, you're voting for someone due to the fact they have weak reasoning when your reasoning is just as weak. You said throw away attention from your mafia "family"? Why "family"?

@zexen

I role-claimed that early so I wouldn't die. It's not being selfish, I did it so the town wouldn't be without a cop.

I missed that when I read it.

"...your mafia family..."

Does that mean there is a 'my (as in Dgc1808's) mafia family'?



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dtewi on 09 February 2010
theRepublic said:
dtewi said:
Dgc1808 said:
Vote: theRepublic

1) Not using "FoS" doesn't mean anything if you state who you're suspicious of in your posts and why. This was very weak reasoning and I'm thinking you were using it to throw attention away from members of your mafia family that are currently acquiring some votes or something.

2) It was Day 1 in a large game. Someone saying "there's a good chance there's gonna be alot of night kills night 1" doesn't mean squat. I'd expect something like this from someone new to mafia but not you.

3) My initial reason for vote hatmoza was indeed to get the game going. After a whole day of hatmoza posting reply's like "i'm not crazy, it was just a joke" and stating "we should just lynch a lurker and talk" while really adding nothing to the conversation himself- i saw no reason to change my vote.

I'd like this post to be pointed out. Dgc, you're voting for someone due to the fact they have weak reasoning when your reasoning is just as weak. You said throw away attention from your mafia "family"? Why "family"?

@zexen

I role-claimed that early so I wouldn't die. It's not being selfish, I did it so the town wouldn't be without a cop.

I missed that when I read it.

"...your mafia family..."

Does that mean there is a 'my (as in Dgc1808's) mafia family'?

Maybe. I thought it might have been a freudian slip.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

theRepublic on 09 February 2010
ArkZero said:
KingFate seems to be suspicious, he posts and disappears.

This seems odd coming from you.  You are posting and disappearing just as much as KingFate as I pointed out a few posts up.  You both also had a short vote-and-run for Hatmoza.



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Words Of Wisdom on 09 February 2010
theRepublic said:
ArkZero said:
KingFate seems to be suspicious, he posts and disappears.

This seems odd coming from you.  You are posting and disappearing just as much as KingFate as I pointed out a few posts up.  You both also had a short vote-and-run for Hatmoza.

I'd argue KingFate and lestatdark are more odd.  ArkZero has answered all the questions I've asked of him and provided his suspects but I can't say the same for the others.

I've got a fever today and I'm gonna try reading over and responding to a few peoples' posts but I might just go back to taking a nap instead.