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sabby_e17 on 07 February 2010
zexen_lowe said:
sabby_e17 said:
zexen_lowe said:
As for my defense over last day (for everyone but for sabby, I know you don't read them/don't care about them), there's not really much to say. I oppose no lynch on first day on a non-vanilla game, therefore I wanted the day to end with a lynch. Hatmoza was acting more weirder than usual, that's something everyone noted. I knew there was a possibility of him being townie (IO¡m not an idiot), but I also thought he would be mafia.

The deadline was in a sense bad, because if it hadn't been there, I would have switched my vote to sabby, that with his unjustified defense convinced me much more of mafianess than hatmoza, but it was too late, and I still thought hatmoza was mafia, so I carried on. Yes, I was wrong, but I never pressured anyone to vote for hatmoza (key difference, FOR HATMOZA). If more people voted for him, it's obvious they found them suspicious too. Why don't you interrogate them too.

And sabby, you still need to demonstrate why you acted odd

I acted odd? I felt Hatmoza was townie and felt that we were going for a mis-lynch. So I tried to get people to not vote for him.

Please find a quote where I acted "odd"

I can tell that you're trying really hard to get me bandwagoned like Hatmoza. But since Hatmoza was townie, I'm sure people will think again before they jump on me. Lets see if your attemp at lynching me works this time. 

 

If you're a townie, then you cannot know other people's alignments. For you, their chances of them being mafia or town are equal. While voting hatmoza, I considered the possibilty of him being town (check every post I made), while you didn't. You seemed way too sure of him being town, and you didn't even stop to consider a slight chance of him being mafia. How were you so sure? You can't know other people's alignment beforehand unless you're mafia.

And again, I didn't lead a bandwagon, but you seem to think I did...how surprising

Check again genius. I stated that he could be Mafia, and when people started getting to excited I stopped talking incase someone exploded. 

I know you want me dead but it looks like it won't work.




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SciFiBoy on 07 February 2010
sabby_e17 said:
zexen_lowe said:
sabby_e17 said:
zexen_lowe said:
As for my defense over last day (for everyone but for sabby, I know you don't read them/don't care about them), there's not really much to say. I oppose no lynch on first day on a non-vanilla game, therefore I wanted the day to end with a lynch. Hatmoza was acting more weirder than usual, that's something everyone noted. I knew there was a possibility of him being townie (IO¡m not an idiot), but I also thought he would be mafia.

The deadline was in a sense bad, because if it hadn't been there, I would have switched my vote to sabby, that with his unjustified defense convinced me much more of mafianess than hatmoza, but it was too late, and I still thought hatmoza was mafia, so I carried on. Yes, I was wrong, but I never pressured anyone to vote for hatmoza (key difference, FOR HATMOZA). If more people voted for him, it's obvious they found them suspicious too. Why don't you interrogate them too.

And sabby, you still need to demonstrate why you acted odd

I acted odd? I felt Hatmoza was townie and felt that we were going for a mis-lynch. So I tried to get people to not vote for him.

Please find a quote where I acted "odd"

I can tell that you're trying really hard to get me bandwagoned like Hatmoza. But since Hatmoza was townie, I'm sure people will think again before they jump on me. Lets see if your attemp at lynching me works this time. 

 

If you're a townie, then you cannot know other people's alignments. For you, their chances of them being mafia or town are equal. While voting hatmoza, I considered the possibilty of him being town (check every post I made), while you didn't. You seemed way too sure of him being town, and you didn't even stop to consider a slight chance of him being mafia. How were you so sure? You can't know other people's alignment beforehand unless you're mafia.

And again, I didn't lead a bandwagon, but you seem to think I did...how surprising

Check again genius. I stated that he could be Mafia, and when people started getting to excited I stopped talking incase someone exploded. 

I know you want me dead but it looks like it won't work.

link me to the post where you said that please, I dont remember that



trangentspree on 07 February 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
trangentspree said:

You and Zexen were the strongest twosome Day 1 and now you're abruptly turning against him? You weren't as defensive about him as he was about you throughout that day so from that point I can understand this, but you certainly weren't scum-hunting at him at all (that is strange considering how active you were at scum-hunting people in general) and this new suspicion of yours seems to have arisen out of no where today - as though you're trying to disassociate yourselves.

I also find it incredibly odd that Zexen so far hasn't made any effort to defend himself against you. Only two possibilities spring to mind - you have secretly agreed for this to happn and/or he doesn't want to draw attention to the fact that you have singled him out for suspicion.

Right now the only thing that I can see that gives Zexen a shred of benefit of the doubt is that nenseur was strongly objecting to him at the end of Day 1 and nenseur turned out to be mafia - but considering it's likely there are different families of mafia this game this doesn't win me over.

 

Also why wasn't WoW investigated by the cop last night? SciFiBoy seems like an odd choice to me, he was suspected by some but he was hardly leading people's opinions the same way WoW seems to be. Can the COP please investigate WoW tonight.

Also has anyone ever tried to lie about being the Cop before? Or the Doc for that matter?

I didn't "associate" myself with anyone on Day 1.  I don't buddy.  After my big explanation of "Don't trust anyone whose alignment you don't know" on Day 1, you should know that by now.

What is zexen going to defend against?  That I think it's odd that Final-Fan died and he lived?  The only defense against that is "nuh uh" which isn't much of anything. 

Also, the cop did the right thing by investigating SciFiBoy as it saved the town from a possible mislynch. 

Lying about the Cop doesn't really serve a purpose.  Very few scenarios end well for a mafia member that roleclaims Cop.  Roleclaiming Doctor just gets you killed.

So who are your suspects Trangent?

"Don't trust anyone whose alignment you don't know" - this statement is completely redundant, mafia know the alignments of their fellow mafia, and I believe that you and Zexen are mafia.

I already stated my reasons for suspecting that you and Zexen have been supporting each other...

What has stood out to me also is how both Zexen and WoW have remained completely out of conflict with each another and in fact happen to be working in concert so far in this game. WoW has deferred to Zexen for an opinion on another user both here and here, and Xen supported WoW here and then makes a pretty tenuous argument to defend WoW against people startled by her/his controlling attitude.

And now you have suddenly called him out with suspicion.

Also I don't fully understand your reasons for suspecting him. Why is it so bizarre that Zexen managed to survive the night when you did also? Are you that sure that the Doctor was going to protect you? Until the Doctor role-claims and can attest to this, I see no reason to believe it. Or are you going to tell me that this is one of those things that always happens when you play mafia?

Lying about the Cop doesn't really serve a purpose.  Very few scenarios end well for a mafia member that roleclaims Cop.  Roleclaiming Doctor just gets you killed.

And this is not not the question I asked. I asked whether it had ever happened before during one of these games.

And if I haven't made myself clear, you and Zexen are my prime suspects.

I want WoW to be investigated by the Cop tonight.

 



c03n3nj0 on 07 February 2010
sabby_e17 said:
zexen_lowe said:
sabby_e17 said:
zexen_lowe said:
As for my defense over last day (for everyone but for sabby, I know you don't read them/don't care about them), there's not really much to say. I oppose no lynch on first day on a non-vanilla game, therefore I wanted the day to end with a lynch. Hatmoza was acting more weirder than usual, that's something everyone noted. I knew there was a possibility of him being townie (IO¡m not an idiot), but I also thought he would be mafia.

The deadline was in a sense bad, because if it hadn't been there, I would have switched my vote to sabby, that with his unjustified defense convinced me much more of mafianess than hatmoza, but it was too late, and I still thought hatmoza was mafia, so I carried on. Yes, I was wrong, but I never pressured anyone to vote for hatmoza (key difference, FOR HATMOZA). If more people voted for him, it's obvious they found them suspicious too. Why don't you interrogate them too.

And sabby, you still need to demonstrate why you acted odd

I acted odd? I felt Hatmoza was townie and felt that we were going for a mis-lynch. So I tried to get people to not vote for him.

Please find a quote where I acted "odd"

I can tell that you're trying really hard to get me bandwagoned like Hatmoza. But since Hatmoza was townie, I'm sure people will think again before they jump on me. Lets see if your attemp at lynching me works this time. 

 

If you're a townie, then you cannot know other people's alignments. For you, their chances of them being mafia or town are equal. While voting hatmoza, I considered the possibilty of him being town (check every post I made), while you didn't. You seemed way too sure of him being town, and you didn't even stop to consider a slight chance of him being mafia. How were you so sure? You can't know other people's alignment beforehand unless you're mafia.

And again, I didn't lead a bandwagon, but you seem to think I did...how surprising

Check again genius. I stated that he could be Mafia, and when people started getting to excited I stopped talking incase someone exploded. 

I know you want me dead but it looks like it won't work.

You seem a bit overly defensive... 

And what do you mean by the bolded? 



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trashleg on 07 February 2010
trangentspree said:

And now you have suddenly called him out with suspicion.

Also I don't fully understand your reasons for suspecting him. Why is it so bizarre that Zexen managed to survive the night when you did also? Are you that sure that the Doctor was going to protect you? Until the Doctor role-claims and can attest to this, I see no reason to believe it. Or are you going to tell me that this is one of those things that always happens when you play mafia?

 

WoW is alive not because he was being protected, because the doctor should have been protecting dtewi.

i reckon he's alive cos he wasn't targeted?

 

@zexen, don't give me that. you've been a cultist then, at least once.



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SuperAdrianK on 07 February 2010

Lynching Hatmoza was a good idea since we needed an idea of who he actually was,
yes it was a loss for the town but now the confusion has toned down a bit...

im suspicious of sabby a little bit since he didn't want to see the role hatmoza had if we lynch him and is trying to accuse WoW or Zexen saying that he was innocent...

man I have nothing to say >_>.




              

c03n3nj0 on 07 February 2010
Falcon095 said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Falcon095 said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Falcon095 said:
c03n3nj0 said:
 

His been adding to the discussion at least, but it also seems he's just trying to not be considered as a lurker. Kinda in the middle, and from past experience that's where I wanna be if I'm the mafia. Low enough not to be suspected, but then if you go too much into lurking people will start taking notice. 

It goes for a lot of the people in the thread, too. 

And how would you consider yourself in that matter?

I guess I'm posting similarly.

But, I know what role I am, so there's no point in suspecting myself.

So you are getting suspicious of him for something you do? That's nice

"I don't have strong suspicion for any of them but..."

Still, from those 3 the most suspicious (for you) is the one acting like you, that means that if in the options it were you instead of axumblade, you would be the most suspicious, do you see the irony?

I mean the day just started and all you have done was remembering the godfather movie, somebody mentioned that sabby needed to explain lot of things and all you say is "er.. so we wait for sabby to explain".. you act like if what happened at night was pretty normal.. Don't you have suspects or anything that takes your attention? Can't you say something that isn't obvious or that somebody had mentioned already?

yeah, I see the irony. It's just how I post, even if I don't think about doing it. But, i've said in games before that that's where I think the mafia would want to be. 

The Sabby thing was more like a question, you even left the question mark out of your quote. Why?

I don't remember acting like the night was normal. I didn't just "remember the godfather movie," it was more of the amount of factions question. Although, it's been answered. It feels like you took those out of context..

Right now it's mostly Sabby, and I said that yesterday, that I was suspicious of him. Hell, if I said my reasons you would say it's something zex already said. -_-



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trangentspree on 07 February 2010
trashleg said:
trangentspree said:

And now you have suddenly called him out with suspicion.

Also I don't fully understand your reasons for suspecting him. Why is it so bizarre that Zexen managed to survive the night when you did also? Are you that sure that the Doctor was going to protect you? Until the Doctor role-claims and can attest to this, I see no reason to believe it. Or are you going to tell me that this is one of those things that always happens when you play mafia?

 

WoW is alive not because he was being protected, because the doctor should have been protecting dtewi.

i reckon he's alive cos he wasn't targeted?

 

@zexen, don't give me that. you've been a cultist then, at least once.

Why should the Doctor have been protecting dtewi last night? Dtewi only role-claimed Cop today... the Doctor whoever they may be wouldn't have known Dtewi was the Cop when deciding who to protect.

WoW might have not been targetted last night, but then why does WoW think it's so odd that Zexen might not have been targetted either?



trangentspree on 07 February 2010
SuperAdrianK said:
Lynching Hatmoza was a good idea since we needed an idea of who he actually was,
yes it was a loss for the town but now the confusion has toned down a bit...

im suspicious of sabby a little bit since he didn't want to see the role hatmoza had if we lynch him and is trying to accuse WoW or Zexen saying that he was innocent...

man I have nothing to say >_>.

What do you mean when you say "he didn't want to see the role hatmoza had if we lynch him"?

And also what are your own opinions of WoW and Zexen?



c03n3nj0 on 07 February 2010
trangentspree said:
trashleg said:
trangentspree said:

And now you have suddenly called him out with suspicion.

Also I don't fully understand your reasons for suspecting him. Why is it so bizarre that Zexen managed to survive the night when you did also? Are you that sure that the Doctor was going to protect you? Until the Doctor role-claims and can attest to this, I see no reason to believe it. Or are you going to tell me that this is one of those things that always happens when you play mafia?

 

WoW is alive not because he was being protected, because the doctor should have been protecting dtewi.

i reckon he's alive cos he wasn't targeted?

 

@zexen, don't give me that. you've been a cultist then, at least once.

Why should the Doctor have been protecting dtewi last night? Dtewi only role-claimed Cop today... the Doctor whoever they may be wouldn't have known Dtewi was the Cop when deciding who to protect.

WoW might have not been targetted last night, but then why does WoW think it's so odd that Zexen might not have been targetted either?

I think she just assumes she got protected. 

It's hard to tell if WoW is scum or not, she always asks for protection, and most of the times she gets it. 

So we really need dtewi (or if there's another cop?) to investigate her tonight. 



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