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Final-Fan on 04 February 2010

hatmoza said:
"To be fair, I want to qualify this. The only stuff he's really contributed aside from his own defense is "let's lynch a lurker" and attacking almost everyone except me who's been pressuring him." 

ok, I actually didn't pay attention to the "who's been pressuring him" part. I was thinking all this time you were exaggerating that I was aimlessly attacking everyone.

#EDIT: This was intended for FF since I lack copy/paste functions atm and it may have not been clear.

"aimlessly attacking everyone"
This made me lol.



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Vetteman94 on 04 February 2010

I'm putting my vote back to the way it was because I want nothing to do with this first day lynch, as I am completely against it.

unvote: hatmoza

vote:  no lynch

FoS:  WoW & zexen



SciFiBoy on 04 February 2010
Final-Fan said:
I think I'd actually rather lynch SFB than hatmoza, because the strong defense SFB was giving him and subsequent freaking out about people calling it "defending" instead of "saying he's not suspicious enough to lynch" is better than hatmoza's insanity, and the "if one is scum, then the other probably is too" reciprocity is just as good.

But it's too late to switch IMO, and I definitely want to lynch ONE of them. So I won't change my vote.

wow...so defending myself from accusations that are false isnt allowed now either

im curious, with all the things I apparently cant do without being suspected, what the fuck can I do at this point?

it seems to me to be a case of anyone who doesnt do what certain posters want them to do MUST BE SCUM AND DIE...

also, I have now voted for Hatmoza as my top suspect, im still not convinced, but im fed up of people having a go at me for not voting

I really dont get this, HOW ARE YOU SO SURE HATMOZA IS SCUM??? its disturbing, some of you are acting as though youve been sent conformation of that already? AND WHY IS ANYONE WHO DOESNT SAY "HATMOZA IS DEFINITLEY SCUM AND SHOULD DIE" IMMEDIATLEY SUSPICOUS AND A TARGET?

we have confirmed nothing about hatmoza yet, nothing, yet some of you are playing like he has already been confirmed as anti-town

again, I am not scum, I am not defending hatmoza (my vote is on him ffs, what more do you want? do you want me to blackmail TruckO into modkilling him?)



Son1x on 04 February 2010

We got about 6 hours until the day ends. Can someone post an updated version of the table?



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dtewi on 04 February 2010
SciFiBoy said:
Final-Fan said:
I think I'd actually rather lynch SFB than hatmoza, because the strong defense SFB was giving him and subsequent freaking out about people calling it "defending" instead of "saying he's not suspicious enough to lynch" is better than hatmoza's insanity, and the "if one is scum, then the other probably is too" reciprocity is just as good.

But it's too late to switch IMO, and I definitely want to lynch ONE of them. So I won't change my vote.

wow...so defending myself from accusations that are false isnt allowed now either

im curious, with all the things I apparently cant do without being suspected, what the fuck can I do at this point?

it seems to me to be a case of anyone who doesnt do what certain posters want them to do MUST BE SCUM AND DIE...

also, I have now voted for Hatmoza as my top suspect, im still not convinced, but im fed up of people having a go at me for not voting

I really dont get this, HOW ARE YOU SO SURE HATMOZA IS SCUM??? its disturbing, some of you are acting as though youve been sent conformation of that already? AND WHY IS ANYONE WHO DOESNT SAY "HATMOZA IS DEFINITLEY SCUM AND SHOULD DIE" IMMEDIATLEY SUSPICOUS AND A TARGET?

we have confirmed nothing about hatmoza yet, nothing, yet some of you are playing like he has already been confirmed as anti-town

again, I am not scum, I am not defending hatmoza (my vote is on him ffs, what more do you want? do you want me to blackmail TruckO into modkilling him?)

Mafia can bandwagon vote onto a fellow mafia member in order to divert attention away from themselves. The fact that you are so passionate about the cause that there is no proof hatmoza is scum (when there never is any in Mafia) just further causes me to believe you are scum.

FoS: SFB



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

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zexen_lowe on 04 February 2010

Voting To Lynch ( Lynched | Murdered )
Person Day 1
 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Identity
ArkZero hatmoza
         
Axumblade darthdevidem01
         
c03n3nj0            
DaBuddahN hatmoza
         
darthdevidem01 Falcon095
         
Dgc1808 hatmoza
         
dsister44 KingFate
          
dtewi hatmoza          
Falcon095 darthdevidem01
         
Final-Fan hatmoza
         
hatmoza No Lynch
         
KingFate hatmoza
         
lestatdark hatmoza
          
makingmusic476            
nen-suer zexen_lowe
          
sabby_e17            
SciFiBoy No Lynch
         
Seraphic_Sixaxis No Lynch
         
Son1x SciFiBoy          
SuperAdriank            
supermario128  sabby_e17          
theRepublic            
trangentspree No Lynch
         
Vetteman94 No Lynch
         
Words of Wisdom  hatmoza          
zexen_lowe hatmoza
         



theRepublic on 04 February 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
Final-Fan said:
Wait a minute. Leaving Vetteman and theRepublic aside, voting No Lynch just to be contrary to WoW is certainly ill-advised, but how exactly is it "running away from the game"? It's stupid, but it's the opposite of running away from the game to mindlessly clash with people.

If you vote "No Lynch" it means there is no one you find suspicious enough to lynch and if you find no one suspicious then you're not actively scumhunting well enough.  There's no such thing as a "mindless clash" in mafia.  More discussion is always good for the town.

Another fallacious argument to try and force a Day One lynch.

"If you vote "No Lynch" it means there is no one you find suspicious enough to lynch"

Absolutely true.

"if you find no one suspicious then you're not actively scumhunting well enough."

On it's own, I suppose this is true as well.  However, it does not logically flow from the previous clause.  Just because you vote no lynch does not mean you have no suspects.  It means your suspects are not strong enough to vote for.

To me, twisting logic to suit an argument is a symptom of overzealousness.  Whether that is a product of you being tired of no lynches or you being scum, I'm not sure.

At this point, I feel like what is happening to Hatmoza is pretty much exactly what I did to Sabby last game.  Pick out something stupid a traditionally crazy player said on Day One, and watch as they self-implode trying to defend themselves.  It seems to be particularly effective against vanilla townies, as role claiming can't save them like it would a power role.  For that reason, I am not comfortable lynching Hatmoza.



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dtewi on 04 February 2010
axumblade said:
dtewi said:
axumblade said:

I just woke up and as of right now I am still not convinced that hatmoza is scum. People seem to be pushing him and SFB. So when I wake up a little more, I'll check back in here if I have the time before work. I don't want to vote hatmoza because if he isn't scum, then that's at least a person who's willing to talk in the game lost, despite the fact that his mentality in this game has probably called to the anti-town people like a cat in heat. 

My vote for now is going to be based on the "lynch all lurkers" because while there has been a lot of conversation, I don't think darth or mm seem to even realize they are in this game still....

Vote: darthdevidem01

I might change this later on once I reread through everything that seemed kind of like a blur to me. x.o

This is an odd vote. You vote for darth even though SFB and hatmoza seem to be pretty good options? You lurk and then decide that you don't want to vote for either and instead choose another lurker. You don't even give a good excuse to not vote for SFB. Explain yourself. Why do you decide to shelter SFB and hatmoza from your vote behind the standard "vote-for-lurkers" mentatily?

1. That's my vote for right now. I voted this way because I have work in a few hours and I wasn't sure if I'd be on here all day since I have other things to do besides sit on vgchartz all day long. I am finally awake SO I've been reading back through entries talking about hatmoza and SFB. I wasn't defending them, I just merely didn't have anything to say against them. And rather then vote against them, like a mindless drone who wants the day to end, I'd rather look and see exactly why I would be voting for them, so excuse me for not following the pack like some mafioso. I'm not saying that this WILL happen but in the rare event of WoW, zexen and Final Fan, all being mafia, I don't want to vote for someone just to vote for them.

2. I said "lynch all lurkers" because I am rusty on the game so I'm trying to interpret who is lying and who isn't but I'm rusty to mafia so I'm trying not to push any buttons right now until I have my confidence in the game back. I've stated my opinion on here, more then you and more then darth (whom has yet to even post in this thread. Yet, he is online all the time.) So don't last at my vote when you clearly don't have a leg to stand on. 

3. Why defend darth? He has yet to say 1 word in the game yet you feel the need to attack my vote? You don't even give me a good reason to not vote for darth.


(My points are a tad misordered so bare with me)

Well I clearly do have a leg to stand on as anyone can question anyone's motives. My idea was that you were voting for someone without showing much suspicion as opposed to those with a high amount of suspicion and that is odd.

I am not defending darth, I am questioning your actual reasoning for voting for him.

And stop being so defensive and slightly insulting, I was merely questioning your reasoning since it doesn't seem all that sound. I believe you for now, but if you do defend either one in the future, you'll be voted for.

 



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

SciFiBoy on 04 February 2010
dtewi said:
SciFiBoy said:
Final-Fan said:
I think I'd actually rather lynch SFB than hatmoza, because the strong defense SFB was giving him and subsequent freaking out about people calling it "defending" instead of "saying he's not suspicious enough to lynch" is better than hatmoza's insanity, and the "if one is scum, then the other probably is too" reciprocity is just as good.

But it's too late to switch IMO, and I definitely want to lynch ONE of them. So I won't change my vote.

wow...so defending myself from accusations that are false isnt allowed now either

im curious, with all the things I apparently cant do without being suspected, what the fuck can I do at this point?

it seems to me to be a case of anyone who doesnt do what certain posters want them to do MUST BE SCUM AND DIE...

also, I have now voted for Hatmoza as my top suspect, im still not convinced, but im fed up of people having a go at me for not voting

I really dont get this, HOW ARE YOU SO SURE HATMOZA IS SCUM??? its disturbing, some of you are acting as though youve been sent conformation of that already? AND WHY IS ANYONE WHO DOESNT SAY "HATMOZA IS DEFINITLEY SCUM AND SHOULD DIE" IMMEDIATLEY SUSPICOUS AND A TARGET?

we have confirmed nothing about hatmoza yet, nothing, yet some of you are playing like he has already been confirmed as anti-town

again, I am not scum, I am not defending hatmoza (my vote is on him ffs, what more do you want? do you want me to blackmail TruckO into modkilling him?)

Mafia can bandwagon vote onto a fellow mafia member in order to divert attention away from themselves. The fact that you are so passionate about the cause that there is no proof hatmoza is scum (when there never is any in Mafia) just further causes me to believe you are scum.

FoS: SFB

thats not the point im making AT ALL FFS

my point is that people are attacking people who didnt vote or attack hatmoza as though its tommorow and hatmoza has been confirmed anti-town already

im not saying we shouldnt lynch someone without proof? I have NEVER said that, at all, in any mafia game to my knowledge.



sabby_e17 on 04 February 2010

Don't lynch Hatmoza.

He role-claimed vanilla townie...I agree it was a stupid move, but why lynch him for it? Shouldn't we keep as many good guys alive?

He's acting weird...he always does.

I think those are the two main reasons he is getting voted to die. Based on these two reasons, it's stupid to lynch him. If there are other reasons why he's getting lynched, someone please fill me in.

If Hatmoza does get lynched, I will heavily suspect those that pressurised him, aka zexen, WoW etc.

EDIT: Vote: Darthdevidem